1000cc Sport Bike as a first motorcycle?

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Unread post by maxman05 » Thu May 11, 2006 6:49 pm

Most people seem to have something against the supersport category as a beginer bike, and I can see where you're coming from. How about something along the lines of a Kawasaki 650R or a Yamaha FZ6? Those seem to have a 600cc engine with plenty of power but also have a stance that is more rider friendly and weigh a little more so they wont be as razor sharp on the take off.

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Unread post by dieziege » Thu May 11, 2006 7:02 pm

Plenty of power for what?

Rider position doesn't matter. There are beginner-friendly bikes ranging from cruiser to full sport bike... what matters is the time between "beginner mistake" and "somebody call an ambulance!"
Ride it like you think owning it matters.

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Unread post by bok » Thu May 11, 2006 7:43 pm

i weigh 240ish and had to ride "the small bike" the other night (ninja 250). i normally ride a 750 shadow and let me tell you, i felt like i had plenty of power with the 250. i had it up to 100Kph easily and had more room to go if i needed to.

if a "small" bike like that ninja can haul me around at speed, it should be fine for pretty much anyone...especially to learn on.

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Unread post by TechTMW » Fri May 12, 2006 1:30 am

viewtopic.php?t=583 <---- Read that Please.

If you have any questions that are not already answered in that post, then please feel free to ask!

If you don't read that entire post, and ask something that's already answered in there, I'm going to BAN YOU FOR LIFE!

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Unread post by maxman05 » Fri May 12, 2006 3:27 am

Thanks TechBMW! That was a great thread. I really apreciate all the help. I did alot of research and found that it's probably a good idea for me to go with something along the lines of a Ninja 250R. I called up a local MSF course place and heard that they teach on 250s which probably means something. Well thanks again for all the help and good riding to all of you! :D

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Unread post by camthepyro » Fri May 12, 2006 3:34 am

Wow! I'm very impressed that you learned that quickly! That shows true responsibility, knowing when to start small, and putting off want you really want, to be safe. Good luck, those ninja 250s are supposed to be really good bikes, just as HandsomeRyan.

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Unread post by bok » Fri May 12, 2006 9:06 am

good call.

the 250 is plenty of bike even for a lard-butt like me, so it's an awesome learner.
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Unread post by kabob983 » Fri May 12, 2006 9:59 am

TechBMW wrote:viewtopic.php?t=583 <---- Read that Please.
I've been looking for that post forever! I wonder why I never thought to look in that section. Honestly, I think it should be moved from the Safety and Security section and put in the New Riders section, as this is where most new guys come.

Great info on there, I have some people I need to share it with.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Fri May 12, 2006 11:51 am

kabob983 wrote:
TechBMW wrote:viewtopic.php?t=583 <---- Read that Please.
I've been looking for that post forever! I wonder why I never thought to look in that section. Honestly, I think it should be moved from the Safety and Security section and put in the New Riders section
Ditto! I spent a lot of time yesterday looking for that, didn't think of the Safety section. Can it please be moved to New Riders?
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Unread post by TechTMW » Fri May 12, 2006 3:24 pm

OK !
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Unread post by axidjw » Fri May 12, 2006 11:12 pm

not that my .02 means anything but anytime anybody gets on this board and suggests anything more than a 250 as a bike to get everybody goes into an uproar because its ludrricous to have more power than that. I agree a 1000 is a waste of money unless your doing track days becasue they are not gas savers but let me post an unbiaed opinion as i ride both cruiser and i also have a gixxer750.
In my opinion everybody wo rides a crotch rocket period is using more power than thell ever need..you can kill yourslef on a 599 just as quick as a r1 or r6 or a busa. If 250-500 is more than anyb ody ever needs why is everybody on here not got ninja 250's-im assuming not everybody here uses their bike on the track so why buy a 600/750/1000??
Its no the bikes that are dangerous its ignorrance..i bought my 750 never having been on a street bike and took about 1 month in my neighborhood learning the abailities and speed and reading, etc..that was 3 years ago..have not been in a crash..will i?? maybe?? not the point..these posts should be more on..does the bike appeal to you, are you comfortable on it? does the size of the bike make you nervous? bigger engine respect bigger responsibility and respect than a smaller one..do you want to devote the time learning the massive power the engine can produce..are you willing to fork out the astronomical money for insurance?
some of you do this but i have found most just say..its stupid to have a bike that big..it will kill you..i can use the same logic and say its stupid to have a crotch rocket of any kind..they are too powefull and you should get a small cruiser becaue its got enough power to take you to from point a to point b.
Not trying to stir the bees nest however i have been on this page for over a year now and anytime anybody asks about a "bigger bike" its like group mentality of..i better not say its ok to buy a bigger bike for a first bike becasue ill get slammed for being a "moron" or something of that nature..

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Unread post by kabob983 » Sat May 13, 2006 11:08 am

axidjw wrote:not that my .02 means anything but anytime anybody gets on this board and suggests anything more than a 250 as a bike to get everybody goes into an uproar because its ludrricous to have more power than that. I agree a 1000 is a waste of money unless your doing track days becasue they are not gas savers but let me post an unbiaed opinion as i ride both cruiser and i also have a gixxer750.
In my opinion everybody wo rides a crotch rocket period is using more power than thell ever need..you can kill yourslef on a 599 just as quick as a r1 or r6 or a busa. If 250-500 is more than anyb ody ever needs why is everybody on here not got ninja 250's-im assuming not everybody here uses their bike on the track so why buy a 600/750/1000??
Its no the bikes that are dangerous its ignorrance..i bought my 750 never having been on a street bike and took about 1 month in my neighborhood learning the abailities and speed and reading, etc..that was 3 years ago..have not been in a crash..will i?? maybe?? not the point..these posts should be more on..does the bike appeal to you, are you comfortable on it? does the size of the bike make you nervous? bigger engine respect bigger responsibility and respect than a smaller one..do you want to devote the time learning the massive power the engine can produce..are you willing to fork out the astronomical money for insurance?
some of you do this but i have found most just say..its stupid to have a bike that big..it will kill you..i can use the same logic and say its stupid to have a crotch rocket of any kind..they are too powefull and you should get a small cruiser becaue its got enough power to take you to from point a to point b.
Not trying to stir the bees nest however i have been on this page for over a year now and anytime anybody asks about a "bigger bike" its like group mentality of..i better not say its ok to buy a bigger bike for a first bike becasue ill get slammed for being a "moron" or something of that nature..

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I agree with some of what you say but consider this: when someone comes here and asks our honest opinion of "is a 1000cc sportbike a good starter bike" what should we do? Lie and make him feel good? Or should we answer his question in the way that many of us believe is correct. He came here seeking advice, all we can do is shower him with the knowledge we have. No, not everyone likes the same bikes. Yes, variety is a good thing. But I think we should at least empower these people with the knowledge of the danger that these bikes present newer riders and present an alternative solution based on our own knowledge.

You can only offer advice and suggestions, ultimately the choice is theirs. If the take the advice then great, they've just armed themselves with a much BETTER chance of learning to ride safely on a bike that is much more forgiving. If they reject the advice then that is still their decision. Hopefully that choice will not come back to bite them on the arse, but I will still wish them luck.
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Unread post by m1a1dvr » Sun May 14, 2006 10:23 am

+1 I could not agree more.

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Unread post by axidjw » Mon May 15, 2006 5:27 am

I agree. Your points are very valid and thats what i am trying to say. People who give their opinion based on riding experience is a good thing but anybody that says "dont buy a bigger bike because its stupid to do so and anybody that tells you to do so is a moron"..is just an a$$onine statement and has no merit. I know a lot of people who started on busa's.or 1800 X's...haha..Good idea? of course not, however they did not kill themselves..noobs should understand the commitment and the time it takes for a new bike and that X10 for a bigger bike..not "i didnt get a big bike to start with, so what makes you think you can do better than me, mentality" that some of these posts come off as. I don't know, maybe its just me?. I too always suggest a smaller bike but it all depends on the variables..if somebody is pushing 300lbs and they want a bike..im not going to suggest a 250cc rebel..its a waste of time, money and effort. It's just as easy to learn on a 600-800cc cruiser than a 250..its all about time and patience not the size of a engine..If you go out and buy a truck you dont go get the smallest engine you can because its your first truck, you get what best works for your needs and you start off slow with your new vehicle until you get to learn it.
Anyhow, thanks for not turning this into a stupid internet bish fest. One of the many things i enjoy about this site is that "adults" can conversate on an issue without getting childish if they are opposing opinions.

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Unread post by roscowgo » Mon May 15, 2006 8:33 am

Glad you decided to go with the smaller ride :) Its the smart thing to do.

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Unread post by camthepyro » Mon May 15, 2006 2:04 pm

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I agree. Your points are very valid and thats what i am trying to say. People who give their opinion based on riding experience is a good thing but anybody that says "dont buy a bigger bike because its stupid to do so and anybody that tells you to do so is a moron"..is just an a$$onine statement and has no merit. I know a lot of people who started on busa's.or 1800 X's...haha..Good idea? of course not, however they did not kill themselves..noobs should understand the commitment and the time it takes for a new bike and that X10 for a bigger bike..not "i didnt get a big bike to start with, so what makes you think you can do better than me, mentality" that some of these posts come off as. I don't know, maybe its just me?. I too always suggest a smaller bike but it all depends on the variables..if somebody is pushing 300lbs and they want a bike..im not going to suggest a 250cc rebel..its a waste of time, money and effort. It's just as easy to learn on a 600-800cc cruiser than a 250..its all about time and patience not the size of a engine..If you go out and buy a truck you dont go get the smallest engine you can because its your first truck, you get what best works for your needs and you start off slow with your new vehicle until you get to learn it.
Anyhow, thanks for not turning this into a stupid internet bish fest. One of the many things i enjoy about this site is that "adults" can conversate on an issue without getting childish if they are opposing opinions.

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Well, when I tell people not to go over 500cc, I'm usually talking to the people who want sport bikes. It's the same as cars, how many people think it's a good idea to learn how to drive a car in a Ferrari? When I started to learn how to drive, I almost bought an old Camaro IROC-Z, which is a 5.7 liter V8. My cousin told me that was a bad idea, because of the shear power of the it, and I could easily make a mistake, hit the gas, and hit a tree. Now, my current bike ('82 Nighthawk 450) can accelerate much faster than that Camaro. So if it's not a good idea to start off on a car that fast, than just starting out a 450 is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as an R6 or R1.

I think the reason most people want to start out on those bikes, is because they don't really understand how much power they have (at least not compared to something they understand, like a car). And they don't understand that even the "small" bikes are very fast (I'm talking over 250cc here, not those little 125s we used in the MSF class).

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Unread post by satriani » Mon May 15, 2006 4:31 pm

King Frog wrote:Buy the BIKE YOU WANT for a first bike. There is no need to waste your money on "training bikes" . You can learn to ride on any bike. IF you want a 1000cc sport bike....and an insure it......Buy it. Practice with it and enjoy it.

You'll learn soon enough yours and the bike limitations. You WILL grow out of anything less then a 750 within months if not weeks.
Are you serious? :roll:

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Unread post by kabob983 » Mon May 15, 2006 8:30 pm

camthepyro wrote:I think the reason most people want to start out on those bikes, is because they don't really understand how much power they have (at least not compared to something they understand, like a car). And they don't understand that even the "small" bikes are very fast (I'm talking over 250cc here, not those little 125s we used in the MSF class).
Most people compare the power of a bike with the power of a car. What they fail to see is that a bike may way 1/10th what a car does. I drive a 115 hp Honda Civic. A 115 HP GSX-R600 will have the same "power" as the Civic in their minds. What they fail to realize is that a gixxer is MADE to go fast. A Civic is MADE to be a fuel efficient transportation vehicle.
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Unread post by Sev » Mon May 15, 2006 11:00 pm

I civic weighs close to 2 tons. Pushed by 115hp, a Gixxer weighs 400lbs pushed by 115 hp...
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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