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2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: AWESOME

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:48 am

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Frame
- Frame: Steel tubular with integral oil tank
- Swing arm: Twin-sided steel construction
- Wheelbase: 1420mm (55.9 in)
- Rake: 24.5 degrees
- Trail: 99mm (3.9 in)
- Front suspension: 43mm Ohlins RWU - Adjustable preload, compression damping.
- Rear suspension: Ohlins reservoir-style twin shocks - Adjustable ride height, preload, compression
- Front wheel: 36 spoke 3.50 x 17” Chrome Rim
- Rear wheel: 40 spoke 5.0 x 17” Chrome Rim
- Front tyre: 120/70 x 17”
- Rear tyre: 180/55 x 17”
- Front wheel travel: 115mm (4.53 in)
- Rear wheel travel: 100mm (3.94 in)

Brakes & Hydraulics
- Front brakes: Full Brembo system, twin Brembo 320mm semi-floating hi
carbon stainless steel discs, Brembo 4 piston “Gold Line” axial callipers
- Rear brakes: Full Brembo system, single Brembo 220mm disc, Brembo 2 piston “Gold Line” calliper
- Brembo “Gold Line” front brake master cylinder
- Brembo “Gold Line” hydraulic clutch master cylinder
- Brembo rear brake master cylinder
- Brembo hydraulic clutch actuation slave cylinder

Transmission
- Gear box: constant mesh 5 speed
- Final drive: 525 “O” ring chain
- Clutch: Wet multi-plate hydraulic lifter
- Electric start Power Assembly
- Engine type: New engine developed by Norton and F1 engine builders, MCT of Oxfordshire, England. Parallel twin with push-rod valve actuation, dry sump, 3 bearing crank and balancer shaft.
- Displacement: 961cc
- Cooling system: Air
- Valve actuation: Push rod, 2 valves per cylinder
- Bore x stroke: 88mm x 79mm
- Compression ratio: 10.1:1
- Power: 80PS @ 6500RPM
- Torque: 90Nm @ 5200RPM
- Ignition: Crank fired electronic
- Euro 3 compliant with electronic fuel injection and multiple 3 way catalytic converter

Electronics & Controls
- Charging system: 300 watt hi-output charging system
- Instrumentation: Norton electronic analogue speedo & tachometer

Miscellaneous
- Fuel tank capacity: 17 litres (4.5 US gallon)
- Dry weight: 188kg (414.5 lbs)
- Seat height: 813mm (32 in)
- Steering: Fully machined billet yokes, triple clamp lower yokes
- Handlebars: Tubular steel in chrome

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Re: 2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: In prog

Unread post by High_Side » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:48 am

Nice bike but for a projected Canadian MSRP of >$20K I can get a lot more for the money. They will need to work on their price point if they are going to make a serious go of it.

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Re: 2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: In prog

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:07 pm

High_Side wrote:Nice bike but for a projected Canadian MSRP of >$20K I can get a lot more for the money. They will need to work on their price point if they are going to make a serious go of it.
I have the official last years (2010 model for the SE that is sold in the USA/Canada) prices I requested from Norton:

2010 Norton Commando 961 SE
MSRP: $17,899 USD

2010 Norton Commando 961 Sport
MSRP: £11,995 GBP - Price shown includes the 'On the Road' costs and VAT for the UK.

2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport
Price: £12,495 GBP - Price shown includes the 'On the Road' costs and VAT for the UK.


If I compare that to say a Ducati streetfighter (as I think Norton is right there with that quality)

2011 Ducati Streetfighter
USA MSRP - $14,995 USD
UK MSRP - Starting from £11,750


I would say if it's at $19,999 (GBP £ price seems identical though) it isn't that bad of a deal as they are definately not making as many bikes as Ducati is, but looking at the bike (and I got to sit on the 2010 and 2011's) quality is right high with fit and finish. If Norton starts to ramp up production, I can see them going for the same as Ducati's in the future...

But I am with you, I would like to see them lower in price... but what is the trade off?

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Re: 2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: In prog

Unread post by High_Side » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:52 pm

totalmotorcycle wrote:
High_Side wrote:Nice bike but for a projected Canadian MSRP of >$20K I can get a lot more for the money. They will need to work on their price point if they are going to make a serious go of it.
I have the official last years (2010 model for the SE that is sold in the USA/Canada) prices I requested from Norton:

2010 Norton Commando 961 SE
MSRP: $17,899 USD

2010 Norton Commando 961 Sport
MSRP: £11,995 GBP - Price shown includes the 'On the Road' costs and VAT for the UK.

2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport
Price: £12,495 GBP - Price shown includes the 'On the Road' costs and VAT for the UK.


If I compare that to say a Ducati streetfighter (as I think Norton is right there with that quality)

2011 Ducati Streetfighter
USA MSRP - $14,995 USD
UK MSRP - Starting from £11,750


I would say if it's at $19,999 (GBP £ price seems identical though) it isn't that bad of a deal as they are definately not making as many bikes as Ducati is, but looking at the bike (and I got to sit on the 2010 and 2011's) quality is right high with fit and finish. If Norton starts to ramp up production, I can see them going for the same as Ducati's in the future...

But I am with you, I would like to see them lower in price... but what is the trade off?

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I don't think you are accurate in comparing this to a Ducati Streetfighter that has far more refined engineering, an additional 40-50 hp and the chassis to match. The Monster 1100 would be a much better comparison and it would still be superior to the Norton IMO. And even with the $Can at par with the $US you can still be sure that the bike will be north of 20K when it comes to Canada if most other bikes are any indication. It's a nice bike, but I really don't think that you get what you pay for.

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Re: 2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: In prog

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:38 pm

"and the games afoot!"

(that would be Sherlock Holmes' language)

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Re: 2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: In prog

Unread post by rayian » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:39 pm

As far as comparing it with a Ducati I'd say it looks more like a GT 1000 than anything else and I don't know what they sold for but the price on the Norton is way high. The styling is top notch and the fact that they're using Brembo brakes and Ohlins suspension seems to scream high end but the power train is unproven at this point as far as reliability goes. Anyway, it's not gonna happen but I'd love to be the first kid on the block to get one.

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Re: 2011 Norton Commando 961 Sport - COOL WALL VOTE: In prog

Unread post by High_Side » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:08 pm

rayian wrote:As far as comparing it with a Ducati I'd say it looks more like a GT 1000 than anything else and I don't know what they sold for but the price on the Norton is way high. The styling is top notch and the fact that they're using Brembo brakes and Ohlins suspension seems to scream high end but the power train is unproven at this point as far as reliability goes. Anyway, it's not gonna happen but I'd love to be the first kid on the block to get one.
I think that you are bang on with the GT and the differences in brakes and suspension (I used to own but but tend to block it out as I hated it). One of the biggest weaknesses of the GT was the suspension. To outfit the GT that was about 13K to start with, with Ohlins suspension would cost you about $2.5K. Ad another 2K for the Termingoni cans and ECU to make it run acceptably (a must, as stock it fueled terribly) and the price is creeping up there. But then, that's why I unloaded mine :| Too much cash for what you get.

It was nice looking though....

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Unread post by HYPERR » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:13 pm

High_Side wrote:I think that you are bang on with the GT and the differences in brakes and suspension (I used to own but but tend to block it out as I hated it). One of the biggest weaknesses of the GT was the suspension. To outfit the GT that was about 13K to start with, with Ohlins suspension would cost you about $2.5K. Ad another 2K for the Termingoni cans and ECU to make it run acceptably (a must, as stock it fueled terribly) and the price is creeping up there. But then, that's why I unloaded mine :| Too much cash for what you get.

It was nice looking though....
Don't forget the expanding fuel tank. :laughing:
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HYPERR wrote:
High_Side wrote:I think that you are bang on with the GT and the differences in brakes and suspension (I used to own but but tend to block it out as I hated it). One of the biggest weaknesses of the GT was the suspension. To outfit the GT that was about 13K to start with, with Ohlins suspension would cost you about $2.5K. Ad another 2K for the Termingoni cans and ECU to make it run acceptably (a must, as stock it fueled terribly) and the price is creeping up there. But then, that's why I unloaded mine :| Too much cash for what you get.

It was nice looking though....
Don't forget the expanding fuel tank. :laughing:
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Unread post by ZRex » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:08 pm

I voted cool, the price and availability keep it from being Awesome for me.

The more I look at it the more I wish I had voted awesome just for the looks, (maybe price should only come into effect if I were going to buy it) and my nephew said it was Awesome.

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Unread post by HYPERR » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:10 pm

I voted cool. It does not stir the soul like a real Commando does, a fully restored Commando would certainly get an Awesome rating from me. That being said, Nortons were not the best looking twins from the Prince of Darkness era. Triumphs were definitely better looking. The Norton spanked the Triumph in sound though. Norton just had the perfect baritone exhaust note. The Triumph sounded thin and sleazy compared to it, and at redline it sounded like it was going to blow up. The Norton sounded just so right.
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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:37 pm

So cool it's zero K on the Kelvin scale.

(Well, it's the "cool wall", not the "great value" wall).
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:08 am

High_Side wrote:
rayian wrote:As far as comparing it with a Ducati I'd say it looks more like a GT 1000 than anything else and I don't know what they sold for but the price on the Norton is way high. The styling is top notch and the fact that they're using Brembo brakes and Ohlins suspension seems to scream high end but the power train is unproven at this point as far as reliability goes. Anyway, it's not gonna happen but I'd love to be the first kid on the block to get one.
I think that you are bang on with the GT and the differences in brakes and suspension (I used to own but but tend to block it out as I hated it). One of the biggest weaknesses of the GT was the suspension. To outfit the GT that was about 13K to start with, with Ohlins suspension would cost you about $2.5K. Ad another 2K for the Termingoni cans and ECU to make it run acceptably (a must, as stock it fueled terribly) and the price is creeping up there. But then, that's why I unloaded mine :| Too much cash for what you get.

It was nice looking though....

The Ducati GT1000 was a great looking bike, I wish I took the time to steal it from you for a ride while you had it for the short while. I do remember how disapointed you were with it's suspension and you wanted that little bit more power in there.

I think both the GT1000 and Norton Commando 961 are beautiful in their own respect. The Commando 961 in red is absolutely beautiful as the red they used is simular to the "Candy Apple Red" that's clear coated 10 times. Amazing paint.

Yes, it's pricy but owning a Norton (atleast right now) is being part of a quite exclusive club, something along the lines of a $100+k car club I would imagine.

Both times I have seen the Commando's they were quite comfortable and looked like they were very well built...no, crafted would be the better world.

Would I buy one? Sure would, but I would look for used...although I have no idea if they would fall much in value as I think they are more "collector items" than daily riders.

I can see why they would qualify under the "Awesome" catagory.

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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:10 am

Grey Thumper wrote:So cool it's zero K on the Kelvin scale.

(Well, it's the "cool wall", not the "great value" wall).
"The Great (wall of) Value"... .HAHA... sounds like something you would find in China!

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Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:33 am

I voted "cool". It would have been "awesome", but I am jaded from all the failures to resurrect the brand in the past. Just like the current Indian, I'm sceptical about the latest Norton's chances of survival in today's economic climate. At $20k+ a pop, I'm sure they'll sell a few to the aging boomer demographic, but once that dwindling market has been serviced I doubt there'll be enough interest to keep it afloat any longer than a few years.
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Gummiente wrote:I voted "cool". It would have been "awesome", but I am jaded from all the failures to resurrect the brand in the past. Just like the current Indian, I'm sceptical about the latest Norton's chances of survival in today's economic climate. At $20k+ a pop, I'm sure they'll sell a few to the aging boomer demographic, but once that dwindling market has been serviced I doubt there'll be enough interest to keep it afloat any longer than a few years.
Yeah thinking of all the past failures to exhume a legendary mark, it really makes me appreciated what Bloor has done with the Triumph mark. It's quite amazing what he has done.
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HYPERR wrote:Yeah thinking of all the past failures to exhume a legendary mark, it really makes me appreciated what Bloor has done with the Triumph mark. It's quite amazing what he has done.
Agreed. But I think too many other people look at Triumph and say "Hey, if they can do it..." without studying it in depth and developing a proper game plan first. The problem with bikes like Indian and Norton is that they are attempting to cash in on the name and styling as a means to develop a market. While I agree that is a good way to start, the problem is that there doesn't seem to be any attempt to expand the lineup any further than this. The new Triumph excelled because they built bikes they would have developed into anyways had the original marque not gone under. They built solid, if somewhat uninspired, bikes to start with and gradually built up their reputation and network before introducing bikes like the Thunderbird and the Bonneville which tugged on the heartstrings of the baby boomers. The result is that while they have made solid hits with the Bonneville range, they also have bikes that appeal to a much broader range of riders from cruisers to sport riders = and this is what has allowed them to continue in business. The latest Norton and Indian ventures are going about it bass ackwards.
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Unread post by sunshine229 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:52 pm

Frickin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got to see this one in December at the Birmingham (UK) motorcycle show. It's so super wicked!

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HYPERR wrote:
Yeah thinking of all the past failures to exhume a legendary mark, it really makes me appreciated what Bloor has done with the Triumph mark. It's quite amazing what he has done.
Agreed. Who could have imagined 15 years ago that the small upstart company would be routinely outgunning the Japanese at a game that they seemed to have such a lock on.

The Speedtriple remains one of my favorite all time bikes (yes, even the new one).

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High_Side wrote:
HYPERR wrote:
Yeah thinking of all the past failures to exhume a legendary mark, it really makes me appreciated what Bloor has done with the Triumph mark. It's quite amazing what he has done.
Agreed. Who could have imagined 15 years ago that the small upstart company would be routinely outgunning the Japanese at a game that they seemed to have such a lock on.

The Speedtriple remains one of my favorite all time bikes (yes, even the new one).
Who woulda thunk to build a brand new bike that looks like a crashed 1986 Gixxer? :shock: Absolutely brilliant! :kicking:
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