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2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S - COOL WALL VOTE: FAIL

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:27 am

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2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S

There's nothing ordinary about the way it looks. Or the way it rides, for that matter. With its Rotax® 990 V-Twin engine, its advanced Vehicle Stability System (VSS) and unique, three-wheeled stance, the 2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S roadster offers a bold, new way to experience open-road freedom.




2011 Can-Am Spyder RS Features

New for 2011:

New coloration: Pure Magnesium Metallic and Pearl White with color-matched side panels.

Improved anti-vibration system reduces overall chassis feedback for a better riding experience.

New Spyder RS-S distinctive styling package, offering exclusive two-tone coloration, painted front spoiler and A-arm covers, carbon-black aluminum parts, double 6-spoke black front wheels and stitched seat skin.



The Spyder RS-S package offers all the standard Spyder RS features, PLUS:


Black 6 double-spoke front wheels
• Two-tone coloration
• Painted front spoiler and A-arm covers
• Carbon-black aluminum parts
• RS-S graphics
• Stitched seat
• Transmissions available: SM5 – 5-speed manual with reverse OR
SE5 – 5-speed semi-automatic with reverse



Colors Available: Pure Magnesium Metallic /Steel Black Metallic, Alloy Orange Metallic /Matte Black






2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S - Specifications
MSRP: TBA. See your local Can-Am dealer.

Engine
Manufacturer BRP-Rotax®
Type 998cc, V-twin, liquid-cooled, DOHC 4
Bore & Stroke 3.82 in. x 2.68 in. (97 mm x 68 mm)
Injection Multi-point EFI system with 2.24 in. (57 mm) throttle body
Power 106 hp (79 kW @ 8500 RPM)
Torque 77 lb.-ft. (104.3 Nm @ 6250 RPM)
Transmissions 5-speed manual (SM5) with reverse OR
5-speed semi-automatic (SE5) with reverse
Magneto 500 watts
Starter Electric
Battery 12 volts / 21 amps/hour, sealed maintenance-free


CHASSIS
Frame SST Spyder
Front suspension Double A-arm with anti-roll bar
Front suspension travel 5.69 in. (145 mm)
Rear suspension Swing-arm with monoshock
Rear suspension travel 5.71 in. (145 mm)
Brake type Foot-actuated, fully integrated hydraulic 3-wheel braking system
Front Brake 4-piston calipers with (250 mm x 6 mm) discs
Rear Brake Single-piston sliding pins caliper with (250 mm x 6 mm) disc
EBD Electronic Brake Distribution
ABS Anti-lock Braking System
Parking brake Foot-operated; engages rear caliper
Front Tires 165 / 65 R14
Rear Tire 225 / 50 R15
Front wheel 3 spokes, aluminum, 14 x 5 in. (355 mm x 127 mm)
Rear wheel Aluminum 15 x 7 in. (381 mm x 178 mm)


SAFETY & SECURITY
VSS Vehicle Stability System
SCS Stability Control System
TCS Traction Control System
ABS Anti-lock Braking System
DPS Dynamic Power Steering


DIMENSIONS
L x W x H 105 x 59.3 x 45.1 in. (2,667 x 1,506 x 1,145 mm)
Wheel base 68 in. (1,727 mm)
Seat height 29 in. (737 mm)
Ground clearance 4.5 in. (115 mm)
Dry weight 699 lb. (317 kg)
Front storage capacity 11.6 US gal. (44 l)
Front load capacity 35 lb. (15.9 kg)
Maximum vehicle load 440 lb. (200 kg)
Fuel capacity 6.6 US gal. (25 l)


FEATURES
Instrumentation Multi-function LCD/analog gauge: digital speedometer, tachometer,
odometer, trip & hour meters, gear position, temperature,
engine lights, electronic fuel gauge, clock
Anti-theft system D.E.S.S. (Digitally Encoded Security System)
Lighting 2 halogen headlamps (60W) with tail light/brake light
Windshield 10 in. (250 mm) sport
Warranty 2 years
Transmissions available: SM5 – 5-speed manual with reverse (not available with Pearl White) OR
SE5 – 5-speed semi-automatic with reverse
Colors available: Pure Magnesium Metallic/Steel Black Metallic, Alloy Orange Metallic/Matte Black
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Re: 2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S - COOL WALL VOTE: In progress

Unread post by jstark47 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:11 am

Fail. All the negatives of cars, and all the negatives of motorcycles, combined in one vehicle. :bash:
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Unread post by High_Side » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:31 am

As a motorcycle it is a fail. As a fun toy for other reasons, it could be great. But only in the way that doesn't replace a motorcycle as the best way to have fun.....well, second best way anyway ;)

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Unread post by Kingshead » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:40 am

In the description it says roadster, even the manufacturer doesn't think it's a bike. And the chasis is designed to cancel out feedback? What numbnuts thought this would be a good idea? Should I also mention it's ugly as sin?

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Re: 2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S - COOL WALL VOTE: In progress

Unread post by Thumper » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:09 pm

I think they're cool... I'm itching to take one for a test ride.

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Unread post by Johnj » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:59 pm

I'm with Thumper, it's cool. I'd like to have one. If I had the money.
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Re: 2011 Can-Am Spyder RS-S - COOL WALL VOTE: In progress

Unread post by Wrider » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:00 pm

I've ridden an 09 and while as a motorcycle it is definitely a fail, as a vehicle it is not.
I hated the steering but apparently others love it.
I did however love that even if you could no longer ride a bike you could easily saddle up one of these and take it cross-country. It's a very comfortable machine, has better acceleration than most cars (but not bikes obviously), and it is fun watching the looks you get as you ride it haha.
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Unread post by waterbuffalo750 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:12 pm

I was debating between uncool and fail. If you need the 3rd wheel for some reason, a side car is a way cooler option.
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Unread post by Wrider » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:41 pm

waterbuffalo750 wrote:I was debating between uncool and fail. If you need the 3rd wheel for some reason, a side car is a way cooler option.
While I agree, I think this is better for those with no balance left. Such as an inner ear disorder. You can still tip over a sidecar, but I wish you luck tipping that thing over without a serious effort and mechanical advantage.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:27 pm

waterbuffalo750 wrote:If you need the 3rd wheel for some reason, a side car is a way cooler option.
Agreed.

I wonder though, how this stacks up in the coolness ratings against a more traditional motorcycle-based trike? I'm not much of one for trikes, so I can't say...
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Unread post by rayian » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:52 pm

Not a motorcycle. A motortricycle. I won't even bother to vote. Sorry.

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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:29 am

I'd consider it if it had some sort of leaning mechanism, like an MP3 (which would be an interesting thing to put on the cool wall, come to think of it). But as it is, it really seems to be only for riders who, uh, have a condition or something. It's a jetski for the road, and is thus fairly pointless.



I just remembered, I've got a friend who's 80 and still rides, but is considering one of these since his legs aren't as strong as they used to be. So in that sense, if it keeps you riding if you're old or (as mentioned) have lost balance, or lost a foot or whatever, then . . . naaah, it still isn't cool. Cool props though to riders who look for every available option (including the Can-Am) so they can keep riding.
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Unread post by Markg1 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:16 am

jstark47 wrote:
waterbuffalo750 wrote:If you need the 3rd wheel for some reason, a side car is a way cooler option.
Agreed.

I wonder though, how this stacks up in the coolness ratings against a more traditional motorcycle-based trike? I'm not much of one for trikes, so I can't say...
I'm with you guys on this one. I'd like to take it for a test ride just to see out it handles. I'm starting to see a few of them on the road now. As far as comparing it to other trikes it just might be cool and it definitely is different!
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Unread post by Gummiente » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:20 am

I must admit that when I first saw one a couple years ago I was convinced that BRP had hit a foul ball way off into the stands. Three wheelers have never been as popular as two wheelers, be they sidecar rigs or traditional trikes, but for someone to come up with and actually put into production a setup like the Spyder must have involved a lot of consumption of illegal substances and unlimited access to corporate finances because somebody had some dirt on somebody else and was blackmailing them. It's the only logical explanation as to why the Spyder exists.

Having two wheels up front and one drive out back is a concept that has met with limited success in the automotive world (the Morgan, for example), but it makes no sense to make the cross over into motorcycle territory. This arrangement results in a front-heavy vehicle with limited traction in pretty much all road and weather conditions. Useless in the winter - the drive tire has to plow its way through undisturbed snow, while the front tires are not quite wide enough to ride within the ruts created by cars. Not good in the rain - the lane position puts the drive tire right in the oil slicked, debris filled area of the lane between the paths cleared by 4-wheeler tires. Not good in emergency braking or steering manouevers, as the rear tire loses traction due to the weight transfers involved in sudden moves and overloads the steering tires. The whole design just does not make sense from a motorcycling point of view.

But for some reason, Bombardier almost defiantly went ahead with creating the Spyder anyway. And damned if they haven’t become a big seller, which confused the heck out of me at first. But the closer I looked at it, the more it began to almost make sense; the “returning rider” seems to be the market demographic they were aiming for, people who don’t want to do the sidecar thing because they wrongly assume it’s too dangerous (sidecars have long suffered from this errant belief) and don’t want to do the traditional trike thing because they’re too unstable (more errant beliefs). Two wheels out front just seems to be more stable to people who have no concept about Physics and motorcycle dynamics in general, so I must tip my hat to BRP for pulling this one off with success.

But I voted “Cool” because of the way BRP pulled this off, specifically because of the technology they packed into it. Traction Control, Stability Control, ABS, Dynamic Power Steering, available semi-automatic transmission... these are all features you’d expect to see in a car, not a three wheeler. And regardless that all these features were built into the Spyder to solve the inherent flaws of the two wheel front/one wheel rear setup, I have to admire the end result. It is a user friendly, safe and (supposedly) fun vehicle to drive, whether one is a novice, returning rider, or experienced road veteran. But there will never be one in my garage, because I am too much of a traditionalist when it comes to motorcycles – and to me, this is most emphatically NOT a motorcycle. I would rather bolt up a sidecar to an existing bike or invest in a trike conversion than spend my money on a three wheeled open cockpit car like the Spyder. Fun to drive, most probably, but it is NOT a motorcycle. Were it not for all the technology, I would have given it a “Fail”.
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Unread post by sunshine229 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:58 pm

Technology or no technology, this for me is a fail.

In Canada I've seen a few on the road and to me they look so funny. There was one here in the UK parked on the grass in front of a motorcycle shop that we had rode too. Me thinks it might stay there a while!
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Unread post by Markg1 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:35 pm

Gummiente wrote:I must admit that when I first saw one a couple years ago I was convinced that BRP had hit a foul ball way off into the stands. Three wheelers have never been as popular as two wheelers, be they sidecar rigs or traditional trikes, but for someone to come up with and actually put into production a setup like the Spyder must have involved a lot of consumption of illegal substances and unlimited access to corporate finances because somebody had some dirt on somebody else and was blackmailing them. It's the only logical explanation as to why the Spyder exists.

Having two wheels up front and one drive out back is a concept that has met with limited success in the automotive world (the Morgan, for example), but it makes no sense to make the cross over into motorcycle territory. This arrangement results in a front-heavy vehicle with limited traction in pretty much all road and weather conditions. Useless in the winter - the drive tire has to plow its way through undisturbed snow, while the front tires are not quite wide enough to ride within the ruts created by cars. Not good in the rain - the lane position puts the drive tire right in the oil slicked, debris filled area of the lane between the paths cleared by 4-wheeler tires. Not good in emergency braking or steering manouevers, as the rear tire loses traction due to the weight transfers involved in sudden moves and overloads the steering tires. The whole design just does not make sense from a motorcycling point of view.

But for some reason, Bombardier almost defiantly went ahead with creating the Spyder anyway. And damned if they haven’t become a big seller, which confused the heck out of me at first. But the closer I looked at it, the more it began to almost make sense; the “returning rider” seems to be the market demographic they were aiming for, people who don’t want to do the sidecar thing because they wrongly assume it’s too dangerous (sidecars have long suffered from this errant belief) and don’t want to do the traditional trike thing because they’re too unstable (more errant beliefs). Two wheels out front just seems to be more stable to people who have no concept about Physics and motorcycle dynamics in general, so I must tip my hat to BRP for pulling this one off with success.

But I voted “Cool” because of the way BRP pulled this off, specifically because of the technology they packed into it. Traction Control, Stability Control, ABS, Dynamic Power Steering, available semi-automatic transmission... these are all features you’d expect to see in a car, not a three wheeler. And regardless that all these features were built into the Spyder to solve the inherent flaws of the two wheel front/one wheel rear setup, I have to admire the end result. It is a user friendly, safe and (supposedly) fun vehicle to drive, whether one is a novice, returning rider, or experienced road veteran. But there will never be one in my garage, because I am too much of a traditionalist when it comes to motorcycles – and to me, this is most emphatically NOT a motorcycle. I would rather bolt up a sidecar to an existing bike or invest in a trike conversion than spend my money on a three wheeled open cockpit car like the Spyder. Fun to drive, most probably, but it is NOT a motorcycle. Were it not for all the technology, I would have given it a “Fail”.

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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:52 am

Wow, quite the discussion and debate on the Can-Am Spyder! I knew it would be controversial but who would have guessed it was this controversial!

For me, I voted Uncool.

I really think it's too big, heavy and bulky to be a true motorcycle myself, but it is classified as one by the Government so someone thought it was there.

I really think the term "Reverse Trike" fits best for it rather than motorbike. I am surprised how much technology, R&D and thought BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products) has invested into it, it really must have been quite the proposal meeting at BRP headquarters!

So I voted Uncool because I think if you rode (see, I do say RODE, rather than DROVE) in on one it would attract attention (both positive and negative) amoung motorcyclists, and there would be people interested in it. But as a motorcycle it is very close to a fail. As a car, it's very close to a fail. As a Reverse Trike alternative vehicle, it's cool as it's really something unclassable but nothing like a motorcycle with a side-car.

Can-Am also seems to be leaning towards making it bigger and bigger each year for touring. So my guess is the market is for those who can afford it (older), want to carry a lot of stuff with them, don't want a car, used to be motorcycle riders (or still are) and want that feeling of freedom on the road still.

I would definately call it a niche machine. It will be interesting to see how it continues to sell in light of the soft economy.

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Unread post by JVRR » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:40 pm

I voted cool because innovation and trying something new is never a bad thing. But that is the only reason I voted cool. If this were the Vehicle Cool Wall, maybe I would vote something different.
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:31 am

Wow, the voting is very close as of this morning:

Awesome 7% [ 1 ]
Cool 29% [ 4 ]
Uncool 29% [ 4 ]
Fail 36% [ 5 ]

Total votes : 14
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:28 am

What do you think if they made a "stripped down" version of the Spyder? It would still have 3 wheels, but say would look more like a sportbike with a side car...?
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