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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:54 am

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2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X Review

A rugged adventure bike with added excitement and flexibility; meet Honda's all-new Crossrunner.

The 2012 Honda Crossrunner represents the best aspects of two seperate biking genres: The flexibility and exciting attitude of a naked performance machine with the upright riding position and rugged appearance of an adventure bike.

The Crossrunner is a radical new concept that provides all day comfort and effortless handling in the city, exhilarating performance on the open road and the ground clearance and suspension travel needed to truly bring out the adventurer in you. A 782cc V4 engine provides the Crossrunner with an incredibly smooth power output. Honda technicians reengineered their renowned V4 technology specifically for this bike so that it combines a smooth power surge with the energy of an Adventure bike. Wide handlebars and an upright position have been incorporated to give high levels of stability and manoeuvrability as well as all day comfort and great visibility. The dual layered fairing completes the rugged, purposeful look and benefits the riding dynamics by enhancing stability at higher speeds. The Crossrunner has been created to give riders great flexibility. Designed with pillion in mind, the seat positions the passenger on the same level as the rider, shielding them from the wind and creating a feeling of comfort and safety. With great handling and stability, good ground clearance and ample suspension travel you can take on the bumpiest cobbled roads and dust tracks to get to your destination.

With its 800cc V4 motor the Crossrunner provides a thrilling riding experience, be it for short urban trips or for covering vast distances.

Extensive customer research indicated that whilst buyers liked the appearance and the image of adventure bikes, for some the compromised stability caused by long travel suspension, tall seat heights and dual purpose tyres was a serious deterrent. The Crossrunner offers the best of both worlds by addressing all of these demands.

DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT

Stability and rider-flattering ease of use were two core design motivations for the Crossrunner project. It was always at the forefront of the design team’s minds that this motorcycle should be performance-focused, yet supremely manageable to cater for a wide skill set.

The Crossrunner’s smooth, flexible and soulful 782cc V4 engine is specifically tuned for the kind of riding suited to this cross-purpose machine. An elastic, turbine-like delivery and smooth, readily accessible power make it very easy for the rider to find an effortless, flowing rhythm – an attribute always appreciated by the pillion.

STYLING

The European design team designed a motorcycle that reflects the riding conditions of this new decade.

The Crossrunner had to be exciting to ride but at the same time easy to master, and the styling of the machine needed to reflect these cross discipline attributes.

Crucial machine data is provided by a 'floating' instrument binnacle, placed high for optimum visibility at all times.

The bike's sophisticated styling is accentuated by the high and wide handlebars.

ENGINE

Liquid-cooled 782cc, 4 cam, 90° V4 engine delivers a smooth curve of power with excellent torque throughout the rev range.

The traits of the well-proven Honda V4 engine configuration are legendary. Along with the appealing engine note, this distinctive engine architecture provides a smooth curve of power with excellent torque figures from idle to the rev limit.

To provide both optimum low speed torque and peak power, a highly developed version of Honda's revolutionary VTEC system has been specially adjusted. This technology offers variable valve timing to optimise the degrees of valve opening – a unique proposition in the motorcycle market.

Crossrunner engineers have laboured to refine these characteristics. Throttle control linearity – the feeling of heightened rider control – was an early design goal and formed an importantly large part of the Crossrunner's development time.

The net result is a smooth rush of progressive, linear power with abundant torque throughout the rev range and precise control at every parameter of revs, throttle position, gear position and load.

In pursuit of this goal, engineers experimented with several different inlet trumpet shapes and lengths before the optimum settings were achieved.

The 782cc, quad cam, 90 degree V4 runs an over-square bore and stroke of 72.0 x 48.0mm for efficient cylinder filling via the four-valve, down-draught cylinder heads. The liquid-cooled unit feeds its power to the rear wheel via a six speed gearbox, wet clutch and chain final drive.

An added benefit of maximising the progressive nature of the torque and power curves is efficient fuelling, resulting in a 348km range from the 21.5-litre fuel tank.

CHASSIS

An adaptable engine needs an equally capable chassis, and the Crossrunner delivers this with a proven aluminium alloy, twin-spar frame that provides excellent rigidity for when the rider demands more.

This sportsbike-derived chassis technology is part of the Crossrunner's unique cross-over proposition.

The design allows a much lower headstock height than traditional adventure bikes, resulting in much improved levels of rigidity.

BRAKES

With standard-fit ABS, the triple disc braking setup of the Crossrunner is not only powerful, but safe too. Twin 296mm floating discs are arrested by three-piston calipers at the front, whilst the rear 256mm disc brake adopts a twin-piston caliper for precise control.

Extensive development work with the ratio of master cylinder-piston to caliper-piston ratios has achieved a high degree of rider feel for optimised levels of braking control and heightened aspects of rider feedback.




2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - Specifications
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Engine
Carburation PGM-FI electronic fuel injection
Displacement 782cm3
ACG Output 386W
Ignition Timing 8° BTDC (idle) ~ 50° BTDC (1200min-1)
Sparkplug Type IMR9D-9H (NGK); VNH27Z (DENSO)
Battery Capacity 12V/11AH (YTZ-12S)
Starter Electric
Max. Power Output 74.9kW/10,000min-1 (95/1/EC)
Type Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 16-valve DOHC 90° V-4
Oil Capacity 3.8 litres
Ignition System Computer-controlled digital transistorised with electronic advance
Max. Torque 72.8Nm/9,500min-1 (95/1/EC)
Bore × Stroke 72 × 48mm
Throttle Bore 36mm
Idling Speed 1200min-1
Compression Ratio 11.6 : 1


Transmission
Final Reduction 2.687 (43/16)
Final Drive O-ring sealed chain
Clutch Operation Hydraulic
Clutch Wet, multiplate with coil springs
Transmission Type Constant mesh 6-speed
Primary Reduction 1.934 (64/33)

Dimensions and Weight
Caster Angle 25° 45'
Fuel Tank Capacity 21.5 litres
Wheelbase 1,464mm
Aircleaner Oil-permeated, cartridge-type paper filter
Trail 96mm
Frame type Diamond; aluminium twin-spar; pivotless
Dimensions (L×W×H) 2,130 × 799 × 1,243mm
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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:04 am

Here we go! Vote now.

Just released, the 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X went from a concept bike last year to a full production model this year. Honda, the company who is (was) known for safe designs have ventured out with the Fury, Rune, VFR1200, DN-01 and now the Crossrunner... Is Honda on the right track with the Crossrunner?

Would you buy one? Do you like the design idea? What do you think about it's looks? Is this the future of design?

Discuss and debate.
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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by NorthernPete » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:46 am

Very cool. I'd buy one if I had the disposable income. I'm a sucker for cool standard naked bikes.
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Unread post by ceemes » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:33 am

NorthernPete wrote:Very cool. I'd buy one if I had the disposable income. I'm a sucker for cool standard naked bikes.
I wouldn't call it a nake standard, after all it does have plenty of plastic wrapped around it and you can only see the rear half of the engine. Plus I really do not like that Transformeresque styling on any bike. I voted uncool, it seems to me that the bike is not sure what it is, a sport bike, a sport-tourer, or a standard, interesting piece of technology tho.
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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by jstark47 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:52 pm

totalmotorcycle wrote:Would you buy one?
Can I buy one? It's sure not listed on the Honda USA website. If it's sold in the USA, what's the price?


EDIT: to answer my own question, I checked the Honda websites for USA, Canada, UK, Australia, Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. The Crossrunner is on the German, Austrian, Swiss, and UK sites, but none of the others. Europe only, I guess. (Didn't check any Asian or African sites, come to think.....)
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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by Grey Thumper » Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:07 pm

ceemes wrote:I voted uncool, it seems to me that the bike is not sure what it is, a sport bike, a sport-tourer, or a standard, interesting piece of technology tho.
Same here. Y'know, I usually like it when a manufacturer tries to design a "do it all" bike. So why not just make it a naked standard? That style of bike, with an 800cc V4 and single sided swingarm, would be unique, interesting, practical, and versatile.

Why make it look like a dual sport when it obviously isn't designed to go off-pavement?

Or why not just update the VFR800 but keep it looking and acting like a midweight sport tourer? That would also be pretty rare; the VFR800 and BMW F800ST are the only sub-liter sport touring bikes I can think of. Not all of us want to tour on huge liter-plus bikes.

PS, what's the interesting piece of technology?
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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by rayian » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:43 am

Looks and reads like a fine piece of machinery to me. Cool.

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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:45 am

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totalmotorcycle wrote:Would you buy one?
Can I buy one? It's sure not listed on the Honda USA website. If it's sold in the USA, what's the price?


EDIT: to answer my own question, I checked the Honda websites for USA, Canada, UK, Australia, Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. The Crossrunner is on the German, Austrian, Swiss, and UK sites, but none of the others. Europe only, I guess. (Didn't check any Asian or African sites, come to think.....)
You should be able to get one in USA and Canada soon, they had them at the motorcycle shows and I'm thinking it will be available as soon as more 2012 models get released in North America. I jumped the gun on putting it up with a bet that it WILL be available in NA. :D

Let's see if my best guess turns out to be correct. I think it would sell very well in USA and Canada myself and the VFR800 engine in it would be a welcome return.

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Unread post by zeligman » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:11 am

just my own opinion, but with all the plastic work up front, it looks stubby - a naked should be just that. the lines just don't look balanced to me ...
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:25 pm

zeligman wrote:just my own opinion, but with all the plastic work up front, it looks stubby - a naked should be just that. the lines just don't look balanced to me ...
I do see what you mean, the front of the bike seems "short" and it's very flat (which is odd for a motorcycle) from the fairing to the tail as well...

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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by jaskc78 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:21 am

Uncool. From what I can see (and that's not a lot with the photos Honda gave out), the thing is fugly. To make it worse, not even Honda is sure what it's supposed to be. It would appear that they thought they knew what they wanted it to be when they started, but somewhere along the way they changed their mind...then handed it off to another team...who then changed their mind and handed it off again.

The lines look all muddled up front, it appears as thought they cut it vertically into different segments and let people come up with a design for their section without seeing anyone else's design. The pillion seat is way too level unladen. You put a passenger on that thing and they'll slide right off the back. Why's it got that sharp angle right in the middle of the gas tank? What's that all about? Not sure I even want to hear why they decided to put mini-wings on the sides of the tank or copy Ducati's "beaked" appearance out front. The handlebars are either too high or the wind deflector way too small, but probably both. And I can't really see it very well, but that headlight looks like an assault on the senses.

In fact, now that I think about it, I'd like to change my vote to Fail rather than Uncool. Unfortunately, I don't see an un-vote button so I'll have to stand by my original impression.
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Unread post by HYPERR » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:40 am

Blasphemy to put that jewel of a V4 and the ELF SSS from the VFR800 into something that looks like a pregnant penguin (the black and white one). And to add insult to injury, they actually call it a VFR800X! :aaarggh:

That great engine is the only thing that prevents it from being a fail.
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:12 pm

HYPERR wrote: VFR800 into something that looks like a pregnant penguin (the black and white one).
LOL!! Pregnant penguin. Should Honda include a clip on tie then?

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Unread post by storysunfolding » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:41 pm

I gave it a cool simply because of the VF motor and the Single Sided Swing Arm. Sadly I'm sure it'll be just as overly priced as the VFR's tended to be. However, were I to get my hands on one, I'd put on an undertail exhaust (show me that swingarm from the factory honda, Come on!), Rip off the plastics and headlight, add a typical fighter headlight and fiberglass what I'd need to keep the gauges and the front looking clean.

You guys were dead on when you said it should have been released as a naked bike. This will never perform as "intended" and I use that term loosely given what I've seen from the "SUV" market.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:03 pm

The combination of the VFR engine and more relaxed ergos is what drew my attention to this bike. The "adventure tourer" thing means nothing to me - I don't take my DL1000 off road either, never intended to. But the DL1000 has superlative qualities as a road bike, and the Crossrunner might, too. However unless Honda announces this for sale in the USA, this is all moot.
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Unread post by agraebner » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:24 pm

I like seeing a company try something new. I think this is an attempt in a good direction. The specifications of the bike look pretty good. I am not so keen on the general look of the "new high tech" bikes. I have recently decided for myself my nighthawk IS THE all around bike for me. Since I have had it I have kicked myself daily for not buying a nighthawk new instead of the shadow. I wanted a nighthawk at the time but the dealer talked me into the shadow. This bike looks like it would serve as well as the nighthawk, as well as give a very sharp modern edge of technology. I have always liked V4 engines as well im glad to see them being carried on in new designs. All my opinions feel free to start throwing fruits and veggies at me any time.........
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Unread post by ceemes » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:07 pm

Sadly, it is one fugly over priced machine which is not sure what it is. Pity, coz I really do love a V4 engine.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:16 pm

ceemes wrote:Sadly, it is one fugly over priced machine which is not sure what it is.
Rather a trend with Honda lately: DN-01 (fugly, over priced, unsure), Fury (fugly & over priced), VFR1200F (over priced & unsure).

They did nail the CBR250R though, got to give them credit for that.
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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:12 am

I voted: COOL (but just)

I had to really think about this bike and where I think it should go, as others have mentioned the V4 engine is the crown jewel of the VFR800X, although I do agree that the model "VFR800" really souldn't be in there as I equate "VFR" to a sport bike, not crossover type bike.

I'm not at all sold on the "The European design team designed a motorcycle that reflects the riding conditions of this new decade." Living in Europe I see the designs out here and they really are not that much different than what we have in North America, just more of them. If anything "European design" should be more heritage than "futuristic", the Honda classic UJM would apply here vs the DN-01. The most popular bikes I've seen around the UK are UJM's, naked, standard, lighter and smaller (600cc is the most popular). The Crossrunner just wouldn't really fit into Europe for lane-splitting (or filtering as we call it here), it's too big and wide and you don't need a V4 800cc engine, there isn't much in the way of open roads or straight roads and big size and power is more of a con than a pro.

I like how Honda says "The 2012 Honda Crossrunner represents the best aspects of two seperate biking genres: The flexibility and exciting attitude of a naked performance machine with the upright riding position and rugged appearance of an adventure bike." That sounds appealing, but WHERE IS THE NAKED LOOK!? You do not need an adventure bike to go on an adventure or even do a little off-roading (like this one might do) a UJM does all that fine and it would be lighter too.

In the end it's just Cool, no more, I'm sure it would be interesting to see in person and the ride and engine would put a smile on your face, but...

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Re: 2012 Honda Crossrunner VFR800X - COOL WALL VOTE: VOTE NO

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:18 am

agraebner wrote:I like seeing a company try something new. I think this is an attempt in a good direction. The specifications of the bike look pretty good. I am not so keen on the general look of the "new high tech" bikes. I have recently decided for myself my nighthawk IS THE all around bike for me. Since I have had it I have kicked myself daily for not buying a nighthawk new instead of the shadow. I wanted a nighthawk at the time but the dealer talked me into the shadow.
I really like the 90's Nighthawk CB750, it was a real UJM for the 90's, it was discredited in the media because it just did everything well (as a UJM should), not amazing and thus the media missed the point of the UJM. Kawasaki had the Zypher series then as well back then. I was going to buy a 90's Nighthawk CB750 (they didn't sell them in Canada) and only found 1 but I remember it had too many miles on it (US import) and was too expensive, so I purchased the Yamaha Seca 650 instead. (cash was tight then).

I agree, it is good to see Honda try new things, but I think they are losing focus on what they have always did best, design for the common rider something that may not be a head turner but it will be reliable as a brick.

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