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2013 Cleveland CycleWerks (CCW) Heist: Cool Factor 56.7%

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:15 am

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2013 Cleveland CycleWerks (CCW) Heist

Tha Heist is a head-turning throwback to the hardtails of the 1940s, a motorbike that connects you to the road and will draw admiring eyes at every pass and stop. Designed and built by hand using the highest quality materials, tha Heist will be your loyal companion for hundreds of thousands of miles.

Success is in the details. Details such as braided stainless steel brake lines. Frames painted in clean rooms giving a bullet proof finish. Dual piston calipers. Oversized rotors. DOT approved tires. 1020 extruded tubing. You’ll love the beautiful high gloss paint and smooth finish.



2013 Cleveland CycleWerks Heist Key Features

• The 250cc engine is a custom “CG” series engine manufactured by LIFAN. It has redesigned intake and exhaust tracks, and counterbalanced internals accompanied by a performance enhancing cam curve.

• The brake lines are bonded braided stainless steel. Controls are high quality, durable, and they look great too. They integrate internal sealed bearings to provide smooth actuation and eliminate vibration.

• The brake rotors are 290mm in the front and 240mm in the back. Stopping power is provided by dual piston calipers, which provide better feel and actuation.

• The wheels use 4mm spokes for a custom look and minimized flexibility, leading to increased traction. The front wheel is 21” and rear wheel is 18”. While the industry standard is 42 and 38 spokes per wheel, our wheels are constructed with 72 spokes on the rear wheel and 62 on the front.

• The front end was designed with more “trail” to enhance stability at higher speeds. This addresses high speed “float” often experienced with lightweight bikes.

• Tha Heist is built with 1020 DOM (Drawn Over Mandrel) extruded tubing to enhance strength and durability. 1020 DOM is used by custom builders of large bikes. Most production motorcycle frames are built with ERT tubing which is less expensive and less rigid.

• The fuel tank and fender are fabricated from heavy gauge steel for durability. This steel is heavier than almost any other OEM bike on the market.

• Small details are revealed in the hand stitched speed stitching on the seat cover.

• Modern production management techniques are revered at the CCW factory. We receive real time feedback from riders and mechanics and integrate their feedback on the production line. We have test bikes running constantly with hundreds of thousands of miles on the odometer.


2013 Cleveland CycleWerks Heist - North American Specifications/Technical Details
USA MSRP Price: $3,195 USD
Canadian MSRP Price: $3,499 CDN


Engine
Engine type Four-stroke single cylinder, counterbalanced
Displacement 229cc
Cooling system Air cooled
Bore × stroke: 67× 65 mm (2.64" x 2.55")
Compression ratio: 9.2:1
Ignition system: CDI
Starting Electric with kick backup

Drive
Transmission Constant mesh, five-speed
Clutch Wet multi-plate

Brakes
Front brakes 290 mm (11.45") hydraulic disc
Rear brakes 240 mm (9.45") hydraulic disc
Tires & suspension
Tires (front) 90 / 90 - 21"
Tires (rear) 140 / 70 - 18"
Suspension (front) Inverted fork
Suspension (rear) Progressive twin shock with reservoir

Chassis
Dry weight 125kg (275lbs)
Frame 1020 DOM
Width 760 mm (29.92")
Height 1035 mm (40.75")
Wheelbase 1513 mm (59.6")
Ground clearance 139 mm (5.5")
Seat height 645 mm (25.4")
Max capacity 226.8kg (500 lbs)
Fuel capacity 18.3L (4.8g)
Colours Gloss black, white



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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:16 am

Special note: See price. BTW, the Honda Rebel 250 is $4,190.
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Re: This week: 2013 Cleveland CycleWerks (CCW) Heist: Vote N

Unread post by snakedoctEr726 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:14 pm

I voted cool, because you normally have to build a little bobber like this yourself.

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Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:28 pm

I like the designs from Cleveland CycleWerks, but it's still a LIFAN chinese bike, just built to the specs of this company. Low reliability, low power but low price. Uncool simply because they tried something different.
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Unread post by montanalifter » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:29 pm

I voted awesome because a very affordable bike that looks good and you can go out and enjoy a ride. 250cc engine would stop me from buying it, I live in open spaces. 650-750cc and still keep the price reasonable and i think they would fly off the shelf.

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Unread post by dr_bar » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:43 pm

I voted cool, but in a bare bones sort of way. For a company to go so old school in design and make a go of it, is cool and kinda daring...
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Unread post by JackoftheGreen » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:21 pm

I voted 'Uncool'. It's a Chinese sewing machine.

I didn't give it a Fail though -- for what it is, the price point can't be ignored. I know bobbers are popular, and I'm sure these things will sell briskly for the segment. Let's see how they're doing in a few years...

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Unread post by HYPERR » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:23 am

Epic Fail. Chinese Junk and I don't mean the ship...
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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:22 pm

Never seen one of these things in real life. Looks great in the pics, except for the engine, which looks like a black plastic toy.
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Unread post by Wrider » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:28 am

Fail. Bobbers were made to be as light as possible and usually tuned up so they were faster. I've never had good luck with any Chinese bike. And trying to make it sound American? Really guys?
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:53 am

I voted: Cool

As I think any Cleveland CycleWerks bike would get quite a bit of attention (good and bad) at any bike night. I haven't seen a CCW in real life so I can't comment on it's quality, fit and finish or value, but at $3000, that's quite inexpensive for something unique. Unique can be a good thing or a bad thing and what I have seen of Chinese bikes, it usually is a bad thing. Chinese bikes just have the worst reputation for build quality and part quality but I'm hoping CCW is different as their attitude and style is quite different. CCW says the following about that:
We are American, we build bikes using American parts, we also build bikes using Chinese parts and Chinese labor and if you do not like it, don’t buy our bikes, we are honest and forthright about our production, beliefes and values. We treat all of our people the way we want to be treated, this is the real American spirit.
About the 2013 Cleveland CycleWerks (CCW) Heist or "Tha Heist". It's not really my thing but it does look neat and thankfully CCW hasn't graphed on large engine covers just to make the engine look bigger than it really is. But overall, it does look quite spindly and sparce and I'd like to see a bit more body work "filler" on it. I've read it makes around 16hp, which for a 250cc is low but for city use shouldn't be an issue and should keep up with most traffic. I've read on their website that their "Ace" bike (same engine) can do wheelies. I think the Heist is one of those grown up "pocket bikes" for a short cruise around the city or just to have fun on. I doubt it would make many rider's only bike but it's fun, light, unqiue and cheap and will deliver great smiles per mile value.

So who knows, maybe CCW will turn out to be the KIA and Hyundai or even the Honda and Suzuki. It wasn't too long ago that KIA and Hyundai cars were horrible and before that Honda and Suzuki were in the same camp. It take about 25+ years for a country to really get it's act together and produce something of quality, maybe China will be that in the future for motocycles.

Till that time, at least in CCW we have another USA motorcycle company and that's a good thing.

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Unread post by 233customs » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:54 pm

I voted Awesome. I have owned one of these bikes for almost 2 years. It is fast, reliable, goes 85mph and get 70mpg. It's easy to customize, and easy to ride. 5 speed transmission, and lots of power. I don't use the freeway a lot, so speed is not necessary for me. I do take my heist to bike nights, and always get compliments. I have never had an engine problem, and have logged over 15,000 miles on my bike. Can I ride it to Sturgis? No. Can I commute to work daily? Yes. Personally, I don't need a 1200cc bike. I have a Harley, and rarely ride it. Only when the wife wants to come along, which is rare. To each his own, I guess.

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Unread post by verbalwarfare » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:50 pm

I voted fail. Why? Because I own one. Correction: I own a weaver built "marine" heist. I purchased the last one from the dealer for 2900$ who could not get rid of it fast enough! The build quality is mediocre, the welds are terrible, and there are many inherit problems with the design, mostly due to shoddy workmanship and design. I am lucky, considering that I Bought a bike modified as new from weaver, so the power increases were already done, and many of the problems of parts falling off or failing were addressed. What broke within about 200 miles (I say about because the bike measures speed and distance in KMH, not MPH) was the speedometer cable and the cush drive bushings in the rear wheel assembly. Being an ASE certified mechanic, I am able to repair what breaks, but how many riders are? I will say that the earlier poster is correct: It turns heads, and is a show stopper at bike nights. It looks damn good. But no matter how much CCW represents it as an american bike, My title lists it as a chinese manufactured ride. There are many former owners who have had a plethora of issues, all easily searchable on the internet. Oh, when you DO have problems, they will point you to aftermarket "solutions" which are upgrades...That void your warranty, and push the cost thousands over list, and puts them in the same pricepoint as many great new bikes. To get your bike to where mine is, you could own a new 250 CBR, Ninja 250R, Vstar 250, et cetera. I will keep mine because I like problem children and I don't honestly think I could in good conscience sell it to someone, just to have the cush bushings fail and have the rear wheel lock up. BUYER BEWARE! Oh, one more thing... Want neutral? Won't happen on this bike.
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Unread post by Farm1225 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:09 pm

I bought a 2010 Heist as my first bike, I was pulled in by the looks and styling, and being a first bike the smaller engine was nice. I had read reviews from other owners glorifying this bike and adoring it, sadly I did not have near the same experience. I almost stopped riding all together due to the frustrations with my bike. From the moment I left the "dealer" the bike died several times on me on a 55mph rode, why you ask? Vapor lock, a HUGE known issue with them once I started to do research. Secondly shifting was nearly impossible up or down, and finding neutral was an absolute nightmare, I was told I would need an "upgrade" to fix that issue, same with the chain it was cheap, needed to buy a better one, along with a pre-vented gas cap too. Problems continued to mount from there as the front forks started to not rebound after hitting a bump in the road, they would simply collapse and not rebound until I tugged up on them. Finally the last straw for me was when the foot pegs rolled off on me at 40mph, they are barely attached, and vibrated right off, so having no rear brake for several miles was awesome. I was very very disappointed with my purchase of 4k plus, my dealer was 75 miles away and barely available at all. The saddest thing is that I had to find out about all the issues on Facebook in their group, facebook people, no recall letters, no dealer calls, nothing. If I hadn't looked for others with issues I never would have realized this was happening to other owners as well. I eventually sold my ride and felt very very guilty but I did not want it and neither did my wife, we happily now own an '07 Harley and a '77 sporty also, none of which have ever had any problems anywhere near these bikes. "The more you know" as they say.

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Unread post by storysunfolding » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Wow... there were only about 40 votes on here this morning. Tops.

Glad to see some current and former owners show up to put a vote in.
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Unread post by HYPERR » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:05 pm

storysunfolding wrote:Wow... there were only about 40 votes on here this morning. Tops.

Glad to see some current and former owners show up to put a vote in.
I think the owners voted fail. The extraordinary number of awesome votes are probably from the manufacturer. :newsflash:
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Unread post by JackoftheGreen » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:38 am

HYPERR wrote:I think the owners voted fail. The extraordinary number of awesome votes are probably from the manufacturer.
I was sorta thinking the same thing. There seems an awful lot of voter turn out compared to the amount of comments left. It always makes me curious when brand-new members show up to vote on out-of-the-ordinary bikes like these. It's possible they're long-time lurking 'guests' who only chose to sign up because a bike they've owned finally came up -- more likely someone on whatever owners forum they belong to on some other site tipped them off that we've got a contest going. Either way, that's a hell of a lot of votes.

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Unread post by sheister » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:52 pm

This bike is a major fail. The out of the box problems are almost too many to list. From wiring shorts, failed ignitions, brakes glazing prematurely, cush drive and drive chain failures, brake light mounts vibrating to pieces, shift linkage issues and an endless list of upgraded parts they recommend right off the bat to make the bike safe and road worthy. It's not an issue solely of it being from China. The quality is just not present. As others have stated, they have a cool look and a low price but that's about all they offer.

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Unread post by Bullet Bill » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:20 pm

Just registered myself, and I'm wondering: do all their bikes have reliability issues, or is it just this one? I ask because the Ace looks more like my kind of bike, assuming the build quality issues have more to do with a failed attempt at making a factory "chopper" and are not indicative of the manufacturer's overall quality. Scratch that, I guess I meant "tha Ace". Poor literacy must be a stylistic thing now.

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Unread post by Farm1225 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:37 pm

I actually only found out about this forum through this posting. I plan on definitely checking out some of the other posted articles on here. A friend mentioned that CCW was putting up a review for the bike they knew I wanted to get rid of so badly and suggested I look into it. Whatever people consider "negative" or "experience" based is absurd. I have done nothing but speak the truth about my experience, and it just so happens that a chunk of customers have had identical issues with their bikes, that to me is evidence of the need for a recall of the bike. Replace the parts that suck with the parts that should have been on their in the first place. I understand that when you buy a 4k bike your expecting some goofy little nuances, but none of the issues I had were funny little things, they all impeded me from enjoying any type of ride on it whatsoever. I finally sold my bike for a mere 1600.00 just so I could have the sigh of relief, only to hear the bike stall about 20ft from the point of sale, awesome.
This isn't about being made in China either, half the crap I own is probably made there or was at some point, but the fact is the base parts are SO cheap and just laughable, just spend the extra cash to make the bike decent enough for average joe to be able to ride without worrying about things falling off, breaking, or burning out.

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