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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:25 pm

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New look. Same soul. The 2014 Indian® Chieftain™ is in touch with its past, but far ahead of its time. It’s the first Indian Motorcycle® ever with a hard fairing, hard saddlebags and unprecedented new comfort and convenience features. It’s like no Indian Motorcycle® ever seen before, yet its style makes clear it has the DNA of a legendary Indian Motorcycle®.

Up front is an aerodynamic fork-mounted fairing with integrated driving lights and LED turn signals. The Chieftain™ houses extensive digital instrumentation – including tire pressure monitoring – and an audio system with high-output speakers. Use the integrated Bluetooth® smart-phone connection to tap into your phone’s music playlists. Raise and lower the power-adjustable
windshield with the push of a button to customize airflow and protection – a first for any fork-mounted fairing.

The spacious hard saddlebags are mounted on quickrelease anchors and feature remote electric locks you control with a console mounted button – or a convenient key fob.

Of course, the Indian Chieftain also features iconic Indian Motorcycle elements such as valanced fenders, a rich genuine leather saddle, and the lit War Bonnet atop the front fender. It also has extensive chrome, keyless ignition, ABS, cruise control, throttle by wire, and an innovative cast aluminum frame with integrated air intake.

Powering the new generation of Indian Motorcycle riders down the open road is the Thunder Stroke™ 111.

This smooth, powerful and efficient new engine combines both style and power, with engine finning inspired by Chiefs of the 1940s.
We made the Indian Chieftain about a comfortable ride and cutting edge technology.

Now make it your own with Genuine Indian Motorcycle Parts & Accessories and you’ll never be without what you need, whether
touring your town or this great country.

The first Indian Motorcycle of its kind, the 2014 Indian Chieftain maintains the legendary Indian Chief styling, while taking this progressive machine to new heights with advanced features and premium comfort. Unlike any Indian Motorcycle ever made, the Chieftain features a fairing with integrated driving lights, and its power windshield is an industry-first for a fork-mounted fairing. Standard features include hard saddlebags featuring remote locks and quick-release anchors, a high-output audio system featuring integrated Bluetooth® smartphone connectivity, and a tire pressure monitoring system.

“When we acquired Indian Motorcycle two and a half years ago we set out to capture the heart, soul and legendary heritage of this iconic American brand and then infuse it with unparalleled design, engineering and state-of-the-art technology,” said Scott Wine, CEO of Indian Motorcycle parent company Polaris Industries Inc. “On Saturday night we revealed three stunning new Indian Chief models that represent the results of our journey and the future of this brand. It was a triumphant day for all of us, and I know motorcycling fans around the world proudly join us in celebrating Indian Motorcycle and the realization that choice in American motorcycles is here to stay.”


2014 Indian Chieftain - Total Motorcycle.com USA Specifications/Technical Details
US MSRP Price: 49 State Pricing - Thunder Black $22,999, Indian Motorcycle® Red $23,499, Springfield Blue $23,499 . California Pricing - Thunder Black $23,249, Indian Motorcycle® Red $23,749, Springfield Blue $23,749.
Canada MSRP Price: Thunder Black $25,599, Indian Motorcycle® Red $26,099, Springfield Blue $26,099.


Engine (Total Motorcycle.com)

Engine Type Thunder Stroke™ 111
Displacement 111 cu in
Bore x Stroke 3.976" x 4.449" (101mm x 113mm)
Compression Ratio 9.5:1
Electronic Fuel Injection Closed loop fuel injection / 54mm bore

Performance (Total Motorcycle.com)

Peak Torque RPM 3000 rpm
Peak Torque (J1349 ft-lbs) 119.2 ft-lbs/ 161.6 N m

Drivechain (Total Motorcycle.com)

Primary Drive Gear Drive Wet Clutch
Clutch Wet, Multi-Plate

Gear Ratio (Overall) (Total Motorcycle.com)

1st 9.403 : 1
2nd 6.411 : 1
3rd 4.763 : 1
4th 3.796 : 1
5th 3.243 : 1
6th 2.789 : 1
Final Drive 2.2 : 1

Chassis (Total Motorcycle.com)

Suspension: Front - Type/Travel Telescopic Fork/4.7 in (119 mm)
Suspension: Rear - Type/Travel Single Shock w/Air adjust / 4.49 in
Brakes/Front Dual / Floating Rotor / 4 Piston Caliper
Brakes/Rear Single / Floating Rotor / 2 Piston Caliper
Tires/Front Dunlop® Elite 3 130/90B16 73H
Tires/Rear Dunlop® Elite 3 180/60R16 80H
Wheels Cast 16" x 3.5" Front and 16" x 5" Rear
Exhaust System Split dual exhaust w/ cross-over

Dimensions (Total Motorcycle.com)

Length 101.2 in
Width (US) 40.2 in
Width (Intl) 39.8 in
Height 60.2 in
Seat Height 26.0 in
Wheelbase 65.7 in
Ground Clearance
Rake 25°
Trail 5.9 in
Fuel Capacity 5.5 gallons
Weight (empty tank / full of fuel) 815 lbs / 848 lbs
GVWR 1385 lbs

Colors (Total Motorcycle.com)

Available Colors Thunder Black, Indian Motorcycle® Red, Springfield Blue

Standard (Total Motorcycle.com)

Standard Equipment ABS; Cast Aluminum Frame with Integrated Air-Box; Cruise Control; Driving Lights; Highway Bar; Keyless Start; Power Windshield; Premium Leather Seats; Remote Locking Hard Saddle Bags; Tire Pressure Monitoring; 100 Watt Stereo with AM/FM Bluetooth and Smartphone Compatible Input

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Re: This week: 2014 Indian Chieftain: Vote Today

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:26 pm

I know, I know. ANOTHER touring bike and yes, the sport bike, standard/naked bike riders are not gonna be happy with me. But Indian just released their 2014 line up and it would be a shame not to highlight one of their new bikes. :D

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Re: This week: 2014 Indian Chieftain: Vote Today

Unread post by JackoftheGreen » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:29 pm

Okay... someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Polaris also own Victory?

Yep, okay, just had to double-check.

So, this ride's got more bells and whistles than that doohickey the Cat in the Hat used to clean up the house in Seuss' book, huh? I guess there are people who consider that cool, but I start reading about 'remote keyless entry' into the hardbags and GPS and Bluetooth and it all sounds like $$$ to the dealer's service department when it breaks. And if you end up in enough cloudbursts, that stuff's gonna get fried. I mean, if anyone knows anything about waterproofing it should be Polaris, right? But I just don't have that kind of confidence in fragile electronics. All that is besides the fact that I'm just too young to appreciate these rolling couches in general. So I'm going with UnCool.

But, onto the larger picture for a moment? This 'Choice in American Motorcycles' advertising campaign that Polaris, wearing their Indian hat of course, is launching seems like a snub to all the engineers and designers over at Victory. We've had other options for American motorcycles for a while now, but they've never really made that a big deal in their Victory advertising, at least, not that I've seen. So it's more a choice in 'Legacy American Motorcycles' they're going for at base, and that's just silly. I'll be the first to admit I don't know the paticulars of the history between Hdavidson and Indian, but I know that in America profit never dies. So Indian already had their slug-out with Hdavidson and lost. For better or for worse, Hdavidson will always be 'the American motorcycle', and I'll wager Hyosung could buy Hdavidson and there would still be a significant percentage of fanboys that would go on buying the bikes and calling them American. Or, at least, 'MERICAN!!

So, if Polaris wants this 'American motorcycle' fight, they should do it through their Victory line. Resurrecting an iconic also-ran just isn't going to play out the way they want it to -- I mean, you don't see the boys at Chevy throwing the Nova into this latest wave of retro muscle, do you?

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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:25 pm

JackoftheGreen wrote:Okay... someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Polaris also own Victory?
Yes, Polaris owns both brands now.

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Unread post by BRUMBEAR » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:56 pm

LOVE THE MOTOR it's a fail after that just looks like an Arlen Ness Bling Couch. I gave it an uncool and I really wanted to vote cool on that but IMO they didn't do enough with THE BIKE the MOTOR is ART though.
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Unread post by madjak30 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:30 pm

I usually don't vote when it's a bike I'm not interested in, but this bike is particularily UGLY to me...that is the worst faring I've seen...the exhaust was done nicely though (Y pipe)...the rest is trying too hard to be retro...

Vote: TOTAL FAIL...

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Re: This week: 2014 Indian Chieftain: Vote Today

Unread post by Gummiente » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:56 pm

I vote "cool". Back when Polaris announced they had bought the rights to the name and they would resurrect the brand, I was sceptical. Like Norton, the Indian legacy has had so many false starts and promising comeback attempts that fizzled out that I just couldn't get my hopes up one more time. But, having seen the success of Victory, there was a small glimmer of hope flickering away in the back of the ash pile that maybe - just maybe - Polaris could pull it off. My concern was that whatever they came out with would be a hideous Arlen Ness mass of swoopy, angular plastic that would trigger my gag reflex. I do not like the AN influence on Victory's lineup at all, but they seem to be selling well so what do I know.

Indian was one hell of a machine back in the day and the rivalry between Indian and Harley owners is legendary. The animosity between the two "tribes" makes the present day Harley vs Japanese skirmishes look like nothing more than a bunch of first graders engaging in a "dog"-slapping match during recess. Which it pretty much is anyway, but that's not important right now. Anyone who dares to resurrect the Indian name must be very aware of the long, proud history of the machine and the unique character that made it what it was. This means to pull it off you have to bring out a machine that has strong, solid links to its own past and bears no resemblance nor pays any homage to anything else but itself. In other words, it has to look like what Indian would have evolved into in the present day had it not gone out of business back in 1953.

Well, in my opinion they have almost managed to do that. Close, SO close, but something is missing and I can't put my finger on it yet. It has the Indian styling cues, solid traditional swoops of beauty that the Kawasaki Drifter couldn't quite perfectly emulate. The motor is all Indian, looks (and sounds, apparently) unlike any other V-Twin out there and is not a tarted up copy of the 45 degree powerplant from that other 'Murrican company. The fairing... well, now, there is no mistaking that for anything else. Even if you don't know an Indian from a Gold Wing, if you see a Chieftan coming at you there will be no confusion as to what it isn't. And it isn't a Harley, or a Victory Cross Country, or a Vulcan Nomad with an aftermarket batwing fairing, that's for sure. Then there's all the gadgets; fly by wire throttle is nothing new, Harley's had it for a few years now. Same with cruise control, ABS, killer stereo, keyless ignition, tire pressure monitoring; nothing that hasn't been seen on Harley's, BMW's, Honda's, etc. But the remote locking saddlebags are a new thing, as is the power adjust fairing.

But something is still missing. I'm just not getting the jaw-dropping, heart stopping, sweaty palmed reaction that I was so hoping to get when I finally laid eyes on it and I don't know why. My Road Glide is still my choice for yet another year.
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Unread post by snakedoctEr726 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:45 pm

After careful consideration, I voted uncool. It's a brand new and unproven design. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but nobody on this forum has owned, ridden, or worked on a Chieftain. Sure, it has plenty of technology, but how reliable will it be? How much research and development time went into the design of the fairing? How reliable is the engine? From a purely objective standpoint, it falls short from its obvious competitor (Harley-Davidson) in a few major fields, while magnifying the inherent flaws of fork mounted fairings. Choosing a Harley-Davidson FLHTC over a Chieftain will get you an extra half gallon of fuel, more luggage room, infinitely more aftermarket support, more responsive handling due to HD mounting the front forks behind the steering stem, and most importantly, reliable and proven technology. If you were to take the difference in prices between the FLHTC ($19899 USA) and the Chieftain ($22999 USA) and invest it in the form of a Screamin Eagle big bore kit and the requisite tuning, you could build an engine capable of producing considerably more than the Chieftain's quoted 119 Ft-Lbs of torque.

All that said, I'm very interested to see how well the Chieftain sells. Will subjective qualities and unproven technology be enough to resurrect the Indian brand? My vote might change in 5 years, but for now, it's uncool.

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Unread post by High_Side » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:13 pm

Gummiente wrote:

But something is still missing.I'm just not getting the jaw-dropping, heart stopping, sweaty palmed reaction that I was so hoping to get when I finally laid eyes on it and I don't know why. My Road Glide is still my choice for yet another year.
To me, it is the bland paint and cheap looking bodywork. When you drop this much $$$ on a bike the paint needs to be something special. They have also gone too far with trying to re-create the old look with such basic body work. Don't get me wrong, I get the need for the retro Indian looks for this thing to be successful, however modern manufacturing techniques would allow a much more finished / advanced look that could still pay homage to the original. I was intrigued when I first saw the engine, however the rest of the bike does not cut it for me....

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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:15 pm

Just looking at the discussion above I do share a lot of the same concerns. Although I do feel more confident in the brand as it's built by Polaris, which is a company with a great reputation, has huge financial backing and this isn't their first foray into recreational vehicles, thus I'd have no issues at all with buying a new Indian under the Polaris name.

As riders have said above the styling of the Chieftain is unique but to me as well it leaves something missing. After looking at it for the past few days (and the other photos of it on it's page here at TMW) I think it's the bubblous look of it, it's not that sleek or slender, and it just looks "weighty and thick". Yes, the paint could be more stellar in it's design, but so could Harley-Davidson's as well and they charge nearly as much. Victory definitely (IMO) leads the custom paint looking (mass-market) scene (or used to) and I think Indian will get some of that inspiration in the future...(hopefully).

Just adding my 1 cent before my 2 cent vote. :D

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totalmotorcycle wrote:As riders have said above the styling of the Chieftain is unique but to me as well it leaves something missing. After looking at it for the past few days (and the other photos of it on it's page here at TMW) I think it's the bubblous look of it, it's not that sleek or slender, and it just looks "weighty and thick".
I think you've hit the nail on the head here, Mike. Weighty and thick, and ..... mismatched somehow. The various lines and curves and shapes don't gel together. It looks a little like a Harley that someone too self-conciously wanted to dress up to be something else. It's too bad... I agree with many other above, Polaris seems to have done a great job with the motor. Uncool.
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Unread post by montanalifter » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:25 am

Well as I usually say on a lot of the bikes 23k seems like a bit much. For that money you get the standard round peg foot rests for the passenger and a generic looking engine guard. Not liquid cooled. Too heavy. I actually like the fairing and looks like it would give good protection, the up and down windshield is cool. Unique look to the fairing which is really nice. Is a nice bike but I'm going to have to start factoring in the price so it gets a uncool vote from me.

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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:47 am

Great-looking engine - I'm looking forward to it being used on something a bit more stripped-down. Otherwise this is just too much of everything; too massive, too heavy, too clunky-looking, too much dough. I guess it makes sense for Indian to launch (relaunch?) with a flagship (and therefore expensive) bike, but a full-dress tourer that looks like a freight train isn't my personal cup of tea.
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:16 pm

I went with: Uncool, but COOL for Polaris getting Indian back in the market again.

The new 2014 Indian Chieftain sure has a sweet engine, but I'm not sold (at all) on it's looks (as I said above: I think it's the bubblous look of it, it's not that sleek or slender, and it just looks "weighty and thick). I was really hoping for a smaller bike in the lineup or ideally a 2nd smaller CC engine, ok, maybe just the Indian Scout that wasn't weighty and thick looking would have been nice.

With regards to the price, I think it's actually very well priced. It's only a couple thousand more than H-D's offerings, but you get a unique product (Indian) and they are the oldest American motorcycle company (1901), which is pretty awesome. Not sure what the Indian;s sound like but that will be important. And why such a massive 111 cubic inch engine? Seems a little overkill to me. Anyone know what the original 1948 Indian Chief's engine size was??

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totalmotorcycle wrote:Anyone know what the original 1948 Indian Chief's engine size was??

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74 cubic inches, about 1200cc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mot ... dian_Chief

I'm not familiar with average bike engine sizes of that period, but 1200cc sounds pretty massive for the late 40s.
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totalmotorcycle wrote:and they are the oldest American motorcycle company (1901), which is pretty awesome.
No. They went out of business in '54, therefore they lost the "oldest" tag. Only the name has survived, not the company, just like Triumph was reborn after several years of nothing.
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Unread post by sunshine229 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:04 am

I can't help myself... I have to vote Awesome.

You guys know I'd never own one, it's not my riding style. But... it is wonderful that Polaris has revived the iconic Indian brand, kept the heritage styling but brought it up to 21st century (personally I don't mind the curviness or "bubblousness" to it), and kept the price quite reasonable!

I'm sure they won't ever compete with H-D in terms of scale of operations so I don't really understand their ad campaigns, but I do think it's great that there is another American legend out there for choice.
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:19 am

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totalmotorcycle wrote:Anyone know what the original 1948 Indian Chief's engine size was??

Mike
74 cubic inches, about 1200cc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mot ... dian_Chief

I'm not familiar with average bike engine sizes of that period, but 1200cc sounds pretty massive for the late 40s.
Sounds about right with what Harley-Davidson was putting out at the time along with Excelsior-Henderson. So they were big back then too. From what I know of that period, it was in order to produce more acceptable power it was just "make it bigger" as the refinement wasn't there yet.

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totalmotorcycle wrote:and they are the oldest American motorcycle company (1901), which is pretty awesome.
No. They went out of business in '54, therefore they lost the "oldest" tag. Only the name has survived, not the company, just like Triumph was reborn after several years of nothing.
That is true that it did go out of business more than a few times. But so did Harley-Davidson (twice and needed a 2.3B bail out in 2009 to survive) and Triumph as well. For me, I still view them as the oldest American motorcycle company as the name did start in 1901, but you are right, that could leave the door open for interpretation. Say for example, someone buys the "Excelsior Motor Company" name, they started in 1896 or the Pierce-Arrow Motor Car Company which made motorcycles in 1901. I think there is more than enough room for a few good historic names to come back. I'm glad to see Indian back and happy to have Harley-Davidson still around today. :kicking:

That's the issue with the motorcycle manufacturing business, it's a boom and bust industry. Which isn't much different than the car business, look at GM (among others) which almost went under as well.


Yes, I know the following story might ruffle some feathers, but don't forget, even McDonalds got $203,000,000 of free taxpayer money as well out of the 3,000,000,000 the Fed gave away.
Harley-Davidson's secret $2.3 Billion government bailout

According to a new disclosure by the Federal Reserve, Harley-Davidson was given a previously secret $2.3 billion bailout during the fall of 2008 and winter of 2009. We’ve previously reported that Harley borrowed nearly $1 billion in emergency operating capital from Warren Buffett at 15 percent interest during the same period and has since upped that amount to nearly $2 billion from other lenders. The disclosure of this emergency aid by the Fed gives a new indication as to just how close Harley was to the brink during the darkest days of the financial crisis and a new indication of how much American taxpayers spent to keep it open.

The bailout provided to Harley is just a drop in the bucket of $9 trillion total emergency aid just disclosed by the fed, other recipients include everyone from the usual Wall Street suspects to McDonald’s, foreign banks and even the South Korean government.

“The American people are finally learning the incredible and jaw-dropping details of the Fed’s multitrillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street and corporate America,” stated Senator Bernard Sanders (I, Vt). “As a result of this disclosure, other members of Congress and I will be taking a very extensive look at all aspects of how the Federal Reserve functions.”

The aid took the form of the Fed purchasing large amounts of commercial paper at non-market rates in order to fund the daily activities of these corporations and organizations. Between October, 2008 and February, 2009, the Fed bought paper from Harley-Davidson 33 times for a total of $2.3 billion.

“It is hard to say what would have happened without the facility, and how its absence might have affected GE, but overall the program was extremely effective in helping stabilize the market,” a GE spokesperson told The Washington Post. GE took $16 billion in aid under this program.

“We took an enormous amount of risk with the people’s money,” the president of the Dallas Federal Reserve told The Post. “We didn’t lose a dime, and in fact we made money on every one of them.”

Senator Sanders suggests the corporations that received this aid got off easy for irresponsible financial practices and that loaning them the money hasn’t altered their practices or even created jobs. “We bailed these guys out, but the requirements placed upon them had very little positive impact on the needs of ordinary Americans,” said the Senator.

Harley-Davidson’s net income fell from a record $1,043,153 in 2006 to a $55,116 loss in 2009. During the same time period, total motorcycle shipments fell from 349,196 to 223,023. That drop in sales isn’t enough to explain why Harley needed $2.3 billion from the federal government, instead, it seems as if the company’s exposure to bad debt by Harley-Davidson Financial Services is really what led to the company’s apparent near-death.
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Re: This week: 2014 Indian Chieftain: Vote Today

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:41 am

Your Coolness Factor of the 2014 Indian Chieftain is..

Awesome (3 points) 38% [ 20 ]
Cool (2 points) 26% [ 14 ]
Uncool (1 point) 30% [ 16 ]
Fail (0 point) 6% [ 3 ]

Total votes : 53

= a Coolwall Factor of 65.4%


NOTES: Guess who's back, back again, Indian's back... Wow, quite a slew of votes for the Indian with a slim majority to the Awesome side. Quite a few uncool votes as well, which from the replies riders were expecting more of a home run rather than a base hit. But it's early in the game and Indian has come out a singin'! Here batter, batter!
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Re: This week: 2014 Indian Chieftain: Vote Today

Unread post by High_Side » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:52 pm

totalmotorcycle wrote: Harley-Davidson’s net income fell from a record $1,043,153 in 2006 to a $55,116 loss in 2009. During the same time period, total motorcycle shipments fell from 349,196 to 223,023. That drop in sales isn’t enough to explain why Harley needed $2.3 billion from the federal government, instead, it seems as if the company’s exposure to bad debt by Harley-Davidson Financial Services is really what led to the company’s apparent near-death.
The motorcycle buiz must really suck if record earning are just over a million bucks.... I suspect that there are a few zeros missing perhaps...
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