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2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Coolness Factor = 52.8%

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:44 pm

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2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II

A great sporty commuter...

Cleveland CycleWerks produced the 1st generation Misfit from 2010 to 2015, and was a bigger success than we could have ever imagined. It was the second model that Cleveland CycleWerks produced, with The Heist being the first. The original Misfit has already proved itself as great sporty commuter, while the 2nd generation Misfit is an all-new creation built from the ground up – and a significant step forward in both design and engineering for Cleveland CycleWerks.



The Gen II Misfit launched mid-year 2015 as a 2016 model year vehicle.




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2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II http://www.Totalmotorcycle.com Key Features

DESIGN: With respect to the design of our original model, there are also several areas of departure. The chassis is physically larger with added stability at higher speeds. We have retained our low seat height, but enlarged the cockpit area for larger rider's comfort. The chassis also has a more forward wedge for a sportier ride. The gas tank is more chiseled with crisp styled lines. The knee indents on the gas tank are deeper and functional for knee down, deep cornering. The Café seat cover can be removed to reveal a flat passenger seat below.


2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - http://www.Totalmotorcycle.com USA Specifications/Technical Details
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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:48 pm

Brand new from CCW! I couldn't find a price, but the Gen I was $3k USD and $3300 CAD.

Just a side note to those new to CCW: http://clevelandcyclewerks.com/about-ccw/

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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by ceemes » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:30 pm

.....and if it is like any of their other offering, the fit and finish will be crap, major components such as brake caliper will fail or fall off as soon as you ride it off the showroom floor, and the engine wont have enough power to run a little girls sewing machine......because its a Cleveland CycleWerks POS and they will soon hit the social media outlets to flood us with their wannabe biker drooling fanboys to artificially boost their rating, it rate an automatic fail.............hmmm, I've been banging on for ages about having a MEH option in the votes, for offerings from Shite Companies such as CCW, we really need a POS (Piece Of Sh**) option below the fail option.
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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by faded sun » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:56 pm

Aside from the questions of mechanical soundness, it looks awkward to me with that tiny head floating in all that space under the tank. I'm going off to look at other naked 250's to see how they handle the relative smallness of the motor to the size of the bike. Since there is no fairing to hide it behind it is kind of glaring.
It's kind of hard to compare it to others in this range without a price. The Hyosung we just looked at was a one-lunger 250 at $3800 and was a damn sight better looking than this. I get the retro look, really I do, but this looks like an old bike frame with a tiny engine stuck inside it, which kind of looks home-made to me.

Never seen a bike list a top speed in the specs before, except that NoX monster from Kawasaki, which is another universe from this one.
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:59 pm

faded sun wrote: Never seen a bike list a top speed in the specs before, except that NoX monster from Kawasaki, which is another universe from this one.
70mph would be a tad optimistic I would say for 14.8hp, but I would think they are putting it there to show it can do highway speeds. A Ninja 250R would do 90mph @ 28hp and streamlined at that. I'm not sure if I would really be happy with a 14.8hp on the highway...

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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by ceemes » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:13 am

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faded sun wrote: Never seen a bike list a top speed in the specs before, except that NoX monster from Kawasaki, which is another universe from this one.
70mph would be a tad optimistic I would say for 14.8hp, but I would think they are putting it there to show it can do highway speeds. A Ninja 250R would do 90mph @ 28hp and streamlined at that. I'm not sure if I would really be happy with a 14.8hp on the highway...

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as I said, an anemic engine with barely enough oomf to power a little girls toy sewing machine. Plus you just know the fit and finish is going to be crap and that will be about as reliable as a cheap Rolex watch knock off bought at a 3rd rate Mombai slum market. How it is has garnered any positive votes is beyond me.
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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by faded sun » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:26 pm

totalmotorcycle wrote:
faded sun wrote: Never seen a bike list a top speed in the specs before, except that NoX monster from Kawasaki, which is another universe from this one.
70mph would be a tad optimistic I would say for 14.8hp, but I would think they are putting it there to show it can do highway speeds. A Ninja 250R would do 90mph @ 28hp and streamlined at that. I'm not sure if I would really be happy with a 14.8hp on the highway...

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I just checked that Hyosung listing again. It says 28 HP, twice (ok, roughly twice) what this one has. Yeow!

Hunting further I see the TU250X from Suzuki is similarly around the 14-16 HP mark. Quite the difference.
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Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:02 pm

faded sun wrote:I just checked that Hyosung listing again. It says 28 HP, twice (ok, roughly twice) what this one has. Yeow!
You know, that's one really good thing about the Hyosung 250cc bikes, very nice horsepower for the size. Double the horsepower is definitely a noticeable difference.

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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:10 pm

Ok, time for me to vote on this one.

The 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II is quite interesting as if you look at it from a whole package standpoint (price, size, power, reliability, looks) it's ok at best. If I just look at it style wise, I really like it. But that's because the Chinese have a way of "ripping off design cues" that we like and putting it together in a mixed package. The 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II looks to me like a bit of Norton, Triumph, late 70's Yamaha and even some Moto Guzzi V7 in there... to me, it's definitely a nicer looking bike than the Misfit Gen I. Do I mind CCW/Chinese design firm decided to take all these unique features and put it in one model? Yes and no. Every model has something unique about it but also shares design cues, the issue wit the Misfit Gen II (and most Chinese bikes) is it's uniqueness comes from taking everyone elses stuff. Legally, that's a weak leg to stand on, but design wise, we will all find something we like about it if you follow me.

From what I read on the internet the poor reliability is defiantly an issue. I think (but cannot confirm) if this is the SAME 250cc engine that was in the other 250cc CCW's, I believe it is though. But the other components look newer... that said, it's definitely a gamble if the Misfit Gen II is really good or not.

Design wise, it's a SOLID Cool for me.
Everything else: It's an uncool.

That said, CCW "made" the Misfit II look better and is now more "modern", so I'll give them a Cool,

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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

Unread post by sunshine229 » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:36 pm

Oh wow... is that a mish-mash of all the bikes Total Motorcycle Mike has owned? I first saw his Seca, now I see his Guzzi in it.

When I look at it, especially in that bright green, I am super wowed. I voted Cool only because I am concerned about longevity and reliability. If this bike were a Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, or Honda, I'd be going Awesome.

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Re: This Week: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Vote Now

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2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II
Featured: October 2th, 2015 - October 9th 2015
Most popular vote category: Cool

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Motorcycle Cool Wall discussion: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=52175
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Your Coolness Factor of the 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II is:

Awesome (3 points) 13% [ 3 ]
Cool (2 points) 54% [ 13 ]
Uncool (1 point) 13% [ 3 ]
Fail (0 point) 21% [ 5 ]

Total votes: 24

= a Coolwall Factor of 52.8%

Notes: The result turned out to be very, "meh", but I think CCW will still be happy with a 52.8% vote. It's a "around $3k" Chinese bike competing in a world of world class manufacturer's and if you look at it that way, it's most likely the highest rated Chinese bike out there! The design is a amalgamation of every other manufacturer's design successes, which is sad, but in a way early manufacturers copied the designs of those more successful. (ie, Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki in the late 70's early 80's copied the Harley look). So maybe this is just a repeat of a 40 year old record?

Get excited as the next TMW Cool Wall bike is now up for voting and discussion, have fun!
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Re: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Coolness Factor = 52.8%

Unread post by faded sun » Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:09 pm

" The design is a amalgamation of every other manufacturer's design successes, which is sad, but in a way early manufacturers copied the designs of those more successful. (ie, Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki in the late 70's early 80's copied the Harley look). So maybe this is just a repeat of a 40 year old record?"

Well, I disagree with that a wee bit:

I happen to own a 1984 Honda VT750C Shadow and the reason I love the look of it is because Honda didn't copy the Harley look, they re-invented it. Possibly this didn't result in as big a market share as they hoped so they now just blatantly copy Harley forms - see current Shadow model mediocrity - and be dammed with it. (Sigh...) At least the Fury and the Sabre (why did they think this looked anything like the Sabre?) are kind of going for that custom chopped look. And I remember the Virago from Yamaha and the lovely V-max were similarly trying something new, design-wise.

My point? I guess I just feel that Soichiro was a tad more visionary in his designs than just copying What Worked Before. Let's face it, this doesn't look like a Honda product or Yamaha or Kawasaki.

(Not sure just what the heck they think they are doing these days at Honda but I'm not about to buy a new bike anyway and there are lots of old ones I like around if I want to own three.... )

Here's the link to a picture of the Shadow of days gone by:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=1984+hon ... nYIexm0%3D

Jeepers! what a link!
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Re: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Coolness Factor = 52.8%

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:07 pm

faded sun wrote:" The design is a amalgamation of every other manufacturer's design successes, which is sad, but in a way early manufacturers copied the designs of those more successful. (ie, Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki in the late 70's early 80's copied the Harley look). So maybe this is just a repeat of a 40 year old record?"

Well, I disagree with that a wee bit:

I happen to own a 1984 Honda VT750C Shadow and the reason I love the look of it is because Honda didn't copy the Harley look, they re-invented it.

My point? I guess I just feel that Soichiro was a tad more visionary in his designs than just copying What Worked Before. Let's face it, this doesn't look like a Honda product or Yamaha or Kawasaki.


Here's the link to a picture of the Shadow of days gone by:

Jeepers! what a link!
Funny enough, I owned a 1984 Honda Magna V30 as my first bike. Very, very similar in looks to the VT750 Shadow of the same year. True enough, not every cruiser bike Honda/Kawi/Suzuki/Yam designed was aimed at Harley, but many of the 70's and a few 80's ones where. The late 70's was somewhat of a "cruiser" revolution for the Japanese, the Cruiser was a completely new design idea and they went after the most successful cruiser design at the time, the H-D. But to be fair there cruisers were mostly buckhorn/bull bars, chrome and weird seats! While they didn't steal a lot of design off H-D, they were "close enough" at the time with just these items added... sorta like we coined the "UJM" term at the time.

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Odd late 70's cruisers Like the odd GS750L

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Odd bikes for sure. And yes, what made Honda remake the Sabre turn from a muscle standard into a cruiser? LOL

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Unread post by Jarlaxle » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:01 pm

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faded sun wrote: Never seen a bike list a top speed in the specs before, except that NoX monster from Kawasaki, which is another universe from this one.
70mph would be a tad optimistic I would say for 14.8hp, but I would think they are putting it there to show it can do highway speeds. A Ninja 250R would do 90mph @ 28hp and streamlined at that. I'm not sure if I would really be happy with a 14.8hp on the highway...

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My Helix would run 70 and I doubt that had >15HP.

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Re: 2016 Cleveland CycleWerks Misfit Gen II - Coolness Factor = 52.8%

Unread post by Oengus » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:32 am

I think the design is pretty vanilla, the first image has a different engine then the second image.
The engine in the actual bike offered in the USA, if any are actually, try to find one, is a 229cc OHV with an external balance shaft. That engine is a torquey single based on a Honda CG150, it is a pretty durable design.
The engine in the first image has a OHC engine, would be similar to the Honda 223cc with similar output.
The engine in the second image is a 500cc OHC single, that engine is based on a Cagiva design.
I also notice the wheelbase specified on the new Misfit is obviously off, there is just no way it has a 1230mm wheelbase, it is larger than that.
The big question would be what would you pay for a 500cc version, a 223cc version and the only likely offering coming your way the 229cc version.
The sweet spot price for selling Chinese motorcycle is much lower than most would imagine. Once the prices go over $1,500.00 the sale fall in units. CCW pegged all it 229cc offerings at around $3,000.00, which includes the Heist and Ace. The Heist was marginally successful, my observation. I do not see the others selling well, the set the MSRP so high the sales a few and far between.
In case you were not aware the Motorcycle Industry in China will offers about 18M units of production this year. The unit values average out of the factories at under $600.00 each. They mass produce, for example the ACE is based on a GS125 Suzuki frame and the unit cost of those FOB USA is likely at $750.00 or less.
Another point is that the big difference between a 125cc and all engines above that is top speed, they both will get you up to speed in traffic, not highway though, then also your weight and inclines will show differences. If it is only for commuting or getting around in the city, you only really need a 125cc.
CCW may be working with SSR, they share a common market and also an OEM.
However most “motorcycle companies” that are selling Chinese made have more than one OEM. The entity in the US is legally required and who processes the certifications required for sale in the US.

Biggest problem is that most that purchase Chinese do so for the bargain prices. They do not really compete with major brands, they compete against each other, lowest prices for similar offerings.
A brand named Dongfang offers up several models with the 229cc OHV engine they sell of around 2k or under, they keep attempting to sell for $2,000.00 and know that inventory sits at that price.
Dongfang offers a close to the same version of the Heist and it out sold the Heist, how do we know because they keep importing them and selling them, while CCW’S inventory ages.
Another issue is that certain design element the Chinese copy are actually identical too actual in production models of major brands, in that selling them in the US can get the people selling the trademarked designs in legal trouble with the owners of the trademarked designs.
Looks sort of like or kind of looks like is not a problem, any exact copies would be though, even if it is just the shape of a side cover.

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