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More power. More Torque. Max Adventure...

The Zero DSR is an amped-up version of the Zero DS, bringing unprecedented levels of power and torque to the world’s most versatile electric motorcycle. For the dual sport rider demanding more, the Zero DSR delivers 56% more torque and 25% more power. A 660 amp controller is paired with a Z-Force® motor that contains higher temperature magnets to ensure better performance during extended durations at higher speeds. The result is exhilarating acceleration and even greater prowess off-road.

With a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds and 106 ft-lbs of torque on demand, the Zero DSR may be civilized but is by no means subdued. With custom tuned Showa suspension and Bosch ABS, it is equally at home on pavement and dirt. The Zero DSR is more than ready for maximum adventure…whether it’s in the city or places beyond.


A refined powertrain integrated with an off-road heritage

The Zero DS and Zero DSR share much of the DNA found in the Zero S but also incorporate technology that makes them ideally suited for a wider range of conditions. In the dirt or on the street, the Pirelli dual sport tires maintain a tight grip, and the specially engineered Showa suspension system absorbs the bumps. The result is a dual sport motorcycle that is ready for any surface you throw at it.


2016 Zero DSR http://www.Totalmotorcycle.com Features and Benefits

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Z-Force® Power Pack

140+ Mi Range / 300,000+ Mi Lifetime

The Zero DS and Zero DSR feature advanced cell chemistry and battery management systems that provide greater capacity and range. Not only does the ZF13.0 power pack enable you to go beyond 140 miles, it is also designed to last the life of the motorcycle. The result of cutting edge research and development, each cell in the power pack is individually controlled and monitored to ensure maximum health.

· Available in two configurations: ZF9.8 (110 mi) and ZF13.0 (147 mi)
· Compatible with the Power Tank accessory which adds 2.8 kWh of power pack capacity to the motorcycle for a city range of up to 179 miles
· State-of-the-art 102 volt power pack configurations and cell chemistry · Cells last 2,500 full charge-discharge cycles before hitting 80% capacity, yielding as much as 331,000 miles on the original power pack
· Highest energy density in the electric vehicle industry yields significant range and performance advantages
· Elegant low resistance and highly robust cell interconnect technology

· Advanced battery management system with enhanced 24/7 cell monitoring
· Isolated power systems and 12 volt system for running accessories



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Up to 179 Miles in the City




2016 Zero DSR - http://www.Totalmotorcycle.com USA Specifications/Technical Details
US MSRP Price: $15,995 ZERO DSR zf13.0; $18,669 ZERO DSR ZF13.0 +Power Tank USD
Canada MSRP Price: $20,794 ZERO DSR zf13.0; $24,270 ZERO DSR ZF13.0 +Power Tank CDN




range ZERO DSR zf13.0
City 147 miles (237 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 88 miles (142 km)
» Combined 110 miles (177 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 70 miles (113 km)
» Combined 95 miles (153 km)
Motor
Max torque 106 ft-lb (144 Nm)
Max power 67 hp (50 kW) @ 4,000 rpm
Top speed (max) 98 mph (158 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 90 mph (145 km/h)
Acceleration, 0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) 3.9 seconds
Type Z-Force® 75-7R passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent hi-temp magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 660 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 331,000 miles (533,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent
Max capacity 13.0 kWh
Nominal capacity 11.4 kWh
Charger type 1.3 kW, integrated
Charge time (standard) 8.9 hours (100% charged) / 8.4 hours (95% charged)
» With Charge Tank accessory 3.4 hours (100% charged) / 2.9 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 5.2 hours (100% charged) / 4.7 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 2.6 hours (100% charged) / 2.1 hours (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 130T / 28T, Poly Chain® GT® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 7.03 in (179 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli MT-60 100/90-19
Rear tire Pirelli MT-60 130/80-17
Front wheel 2.50 x 19
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.2 in (1,427 mm)
Seat height 33.2 in (843 mm)
Rake 26.5°
Trail 4.6 in (117 mm)
Weight
Frame 23 lb (10.4 kg)
Curb weight 419 lb (190 kg)
Carrying capacity 356 lb (161 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 435 MPGe (0.54 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 210 MPGe (1.12 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $1.46
Pricing
MSRP $15,995
(Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/100,000 miles




range ZERO DSR ZF13.0 +Power Tank
City 179 miles (288 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 107 miles (172 km)
» Combined 134 miles (216 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 86 miles (138 km)
» Combined 116 miles (187 km)
Motor
Max torque 106 ft-lb (144 Nm)
Max power 67 hp (50 kW) @ 4,000 rpm
Top speed (max) 98 mph (158 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 90 mph (145 km/h)
Acceleration, 0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) 4.5 seconds
Type Z-Force® 75-7R passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent hi-temp magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 660 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 403,000 miles (649,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent
Max capacity 15.9 kWh
Nominal capacity 14.0 kWh
Charger type 1.3 kW, integrated
Charge time (standard) 10.8 hours (100% charged) / 10.3 hours (95% charged)
» With Charge Tank accessory N/A
» With one accessory charger 6.3 hours (100% charged) / 5.8 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 3.0 hours (100% charged) / 2.5 hours (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 130T / 28T, Poly Chain® GT® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 7.03 in (179 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli MT-60 100/90-19
Rear tire Pirelli MT-60 130/80-17
Front wheel 2.50 x 19
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.2 in (1,427 mm)
Seat height 33.2 in (843 mm)
Rake 26.5°
Trail 4.6 in (117 mm)
Weight
Frame 23 lb (10.4 kg)
Curb weight 463 lb (210 kg)
Carrying capacity 312 lb (142 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 435 MPGe (0.54 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 210 MPGe (1.12 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $1.78
Pricing
MSRP $18,669
(Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/100,000 miles

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Re: This Week: 2016 Zero DSR - Vote Now

Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:24 pm

Brand new from Zero!

New model with a new "engine" with up to 179 city miles per charge.

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Unread post by snakedoctEr726 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:05 pm

Fail. Electric motorcycles will not be competition for real motorcycles until we see highway ranges of 150+ miles and a recharge time of about 5 minutes, or however long it takes to fill a gas tank. The battery technology just isn't here yet.

Also $16-18k? What the hell is up with that? I'm not going to pay that much for anything that doesn't outperform a top-tier supersport.

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Unread post by montanalifter » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:28 pm

Expensive yes but over the life of the bike would the low recharge cost make up for it? If your use was commuting it would work.

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Unread post by dr_bar » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:34 am

snakedoctEr726 wrote:Fail. Electric motorcycles will not be competition for real motorcycles until we see highway ranges of 150+ miles and a recharge time of about 5 minutes, or however long it takes to fill a gas tank. The battery technology just isn't here yet.

Also $16-18k? What the hell is up with that? I'm not going to pay that much for anything that doesn't outperform a top-tier supersport.
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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:58 am

I guess it's viable if you only use it for commutes/transportation. I can't imagine an enthusiast having this as their only bike, since it's too difficult to tour with, given the logistics of charging. If you're a commuter, fine, but is it actually good for the environment over the operational lifetime of the bike? Consider that that battery manufacturing and disposal aren't exactly environmentally friendly.
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Unread post by blues2cruise » Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:21 pm

If it had a solar powered charger so it kept charging as you go it would be awesome.
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Unread post by ceemes » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:16 pm

dr_bar wrote:
snakedoctEr726 wrote:Fail. Electric motorcycles will not be competition for real motorcycles until we see highway ranges of 150+ miles and a recharge time of about 5 minutes, or however long it takes to fill a gas tank. The battery technology just isn't here yet.

Also $16-18k? What the hell is up with that? I'm not going to pay that much for anything that doesn't outperform a top-tier supersport.
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Can't agree. While not much use as an long distance tourer or an all day ride, I can see its merits as a commuting bike. Yes pricey up front, but it should average out on the per mile cost. I would actually consider one as a daily commuter.
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Unread post by faded sun » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:55 pm

It seems to me to be a matter of time before these are faster than gasoline powered engines. The Tesla is flat out faster than almost any car from a dead stop. I think the range is probably well above the daily miles the average rider would put on a bike. Yes touring is still a far off dream for these, but I'm interested to see how they tackle that.

I won't see one under the tree, but I am going to test drive one in the spring.

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Unread post by snakedoctEr726 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:57 pm

Ok. Even in the context of commuter bikes, it's still a flat out fail because it costs literally 4x as much as a purpose built commuter bike should. If it's a commuter bike, where are the heated grips? Where's the windscreen? Where are the luggage options?

Besides, who only uses their bike for commuting and nothing else?

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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:35 pm

Is there a motocross or dual sport version of this bike? Trail riding might be a more interesting application for an e-bike. Great torque at all revs, plus a quiet engine, would be appreciated on a trail. As long as the trail isn't much over, say, 100 miles start to finish.
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Unread post by ceemes » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:02 am

snakedoctEr726 wrote:Ok. Even in the context of commuter bikes, it's still a flat out fail because it costs literally 4x as much as a purpose built commuter bike should. If it's a commuter bike, where are the heated grips? Where's the windscreen? Where are the luggage options?

Besides, who only uses their bike for commuting and nothing else?
How so? Heated grips? Got those on the Trophy, never used them, good pair of thermal gloves has done the trick for me ever since I started riding. Windshield, ok but not required. Luggage, again nice to have, but not really needed.

Only my last two bike had full fairings, windshields, and luggage, and only the Trophy has heated grips, never really needed any of those before. Even my old courier bikes did not have any of those options, made do with a bag and bungee cord to tie down bigger packages on to my saddle or rear carrier rack if I had one.

And yes the up front cost is high, however given the cost of a litre of gas here in BC, recharging this bike would only cost a fraction of filling my Trophy's tank or even that of a smaller bike. Once you average out the cost per kilometre or mile over the lifetime of the bike, I'd bet it would close to that of a gas powered machine.
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Unread post by faded sun » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:03 am

Grey Thumper wrote:Is there a motocross or dual sport version of this bike? Trail riding might be a more interesting application for an e-bike. Great torque at all revs, plus a quiet engine, would be appreciated on a trail. As long as the trail isn't much over, say, 100 miles start to finish.
This is the dual sport version, that's the DS in the DSR of the model name...

That's why the guy in the picture is wearing one of those weird-"O Ring" motocross helmets.

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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:52 am

faded sun wrote:This is the dual sport version, that's the DS in the DSR of the model name...

That's why the guy in the picture is wearing one of those weird-"O Ring" motocross helmets.

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I stand corrected. :) Wheels seem kinda flimsy looking though. Unless the whole dual sport aspect of it is more of a styling thing and this bike wasn't meant to be taken off pavement?
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Unread post by snakedoctEr726 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:42 pm

ceemes wrote:
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It's ok if you prefer nakeds without any creature comforts, but none of that is an argument supporting the DSR as a commuter. I'll change my vote from fail to uncool when Zero brings this machine to market for about $5-6k.

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ceemes wrote:
And yes the up front cost is high, however given the cost of a litre of gas here in BC, recharging this bike would only cost a fraction of filling my Trophy's tank or even that of a smaller bike. Once you average out the cost per kilometre or mile over the lifetime of the bike, I'd bet it would close to that of a gas powered machine.
Did you figure charging times into that calculation? My time is worth a small fortune at my age, waiting for the bike to charge, doesn't quite figure into my life...
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Unread post by NorthernPete » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:33 pm

Idea is cool, and looks pretty neat. Tech wise and price point though, not really doing it for me. What's the point of it looking like it can carve if it's a commuter?

Still, I'll go cool just in hopes it'll get better.
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And yes the up front cost is high, however given the cost of a litre of gas here in BC, recharging this bike would only cost a fraction of filling my Trophy's tank or even that of a smaller bike. Once you average out the cost per kilometre or mile over the lifetime of the bike, I'd bet it would close to that of a gas powered machine.
Did you figure charging times into that calculation? My time is worth a small fortune at my age, waiting for the bike to charge, doesn't quite figure into my life...
As a commuting bike yes, recharge times were taken into consideration, the key word is commuting, or commute. Depending on the distance you are commuting from home to work and back, you may just need to recharge when you get home, by the time you are ready to go back to work your bike should be ready to go, and many workplaces now have recharging points in their parking lots.
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Unread post by ceemes » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:07 pm

NorthernPete wrote:Idea is cool, and looks pretty neat. Tech wise and price point though, not really doing it for me. What's the point of it looking like it can carve if it's a commuter?

Still, I'll go cool just in hopes it'll get better.
What the point of small economy cars looking like they can do 200 MPH and zero to 60 in under 3 seconds, when in reality they are lucky to top 100 MPH and get to 60 in under 10 seconds? Aesthetics pure and simple mixed with equal parts of vanity and ego. People like owning things that look flashy and pretty because they believe it makes them look flashy and pretty. It basic marketing 101, push the sexiness of an item to sell said item.
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Unread post by snakedoctEr726 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:55 pm

I'm not done knocking this thing yet.

Picture this. You ride your DSR to work and back every day, then on the weekend your friends call and say "Hey buddy, want to come ride with us?" Then because you spent $18k on a bike with no range you are forced to reply "Well I want to, but I can only come on 1/4 of the ride you have planned, then I have to spend between 2 and 10 hours tied to an outlet to recharge." Does that sound like fun to you guys?

Let's talk performance. The DSR produces 106 ft-lbs of torque and it can do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. My k1300s makes 103 ft-lbs, and it's capable of 0-60 in about 3 seconds. My K-bike also weighs 140lbs MORE than the DSR. The range figures published by Zero are almost certainly taken while hypermiling the bike and riding in the most boring and conservative way. If you were to ride one is a fast/fun way, I would expect to see the range decrease by anywhere from 10% to 50%.

The electric motorcycle is not a bad idea at all. Electric motors are interesting because they offer peak torque at any RPM, and they're way simpler than internal combustion engines. The battery powered motorcycle is a terrible idea for all the reasons I've listed in this thread. The technology just isn't there yet. I'm holding out for the hydrogen fuel cell and the supporting infrastructure. I'll freely admit that liquid hydrogen is difficult to get, but so is drilling holes hundreds of feet deep in the damn ocean and collecting oil. Humans are capable of solving bigger problems.

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