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Faired vs Naked - what is the reality with wind

Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:34 pm

So, as I indicated in a couple of posts I sat on a few bikes.

The best for me position wise was a Honda 919. The best everything else wise and almost as good was the Interceptor - except for price.

919 has no fairing at all. The Interceptor is fully faired.

In the beginning of riding - I had issues with wind - now - not so much.

So, for practicality - anyone ridden similar bikes faired/non-faired and can state as objectively as possible - how much more significant is the wind?

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Unread post by jstark47 » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:04 pm

There are several aspects to this: 1) wind chill, 2) protection from buffeting, 3) susceptability to cross winds.

1) Fairing is good for defeating maybe 15 degrees of wind chill. I.e. I can ride extended periods at 15 degrees colder on a faired bike. My Bonneville is totally naked, no screen, nothing. Below 45 degrees extended rides become an exercise in endurance. However the 1/2 faired Vstrom and full faired Trophy are comfortable at 30 degrees and below.

2) Fairing can reduce fatigue from wind buffeting IF it's set up right for you. However fairing can also concentrate the wind stream at one place. A naked bike lets the clean air stream hit you all over - it's not as bad as you might think.

3) Full faired bikes can be a handful in cross winds, there's a lot of sail area for the winds to push on.

So it's not a black and white thing. There are good and bad points to faired and naked bikes.
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Unread post by Brackstone » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:28 pm

I went from my Ninja 250 (Faired) to my Shiver (Naked).

The windchill does really help as I can be standing outside and feel alright but the second I start moving it gets brisk. I've noticed that when it's like 50 degrees out I'm ok up to 40MPH and when it's 40 degrees out I'm ok to like 30 etc. etc.

But the chill only really bothers me in my hands well my fingers to be precise, I find my jacket and pants to always be sufficient.

My Solution? I went out and bought some hand guards for my Shiver.



The wind was scary at the beginning but I just pushed through it and got over my fears. Now I think being Naked is awesome IMO. I love feeling the wind push against me as I travel at high speeds. Plus it keeps me safe because everything feels that much faster. When I'm on the Highway doing 75 I really don't feel like changing lanes or making any "Aggressive" moves.
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Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:36 pm

jstark47 wrote:There are several aspects to this: 1) wind chill, 2) protection from buffeting, 3) susceptability to cross winds.
That was really good. I suppose on the flip side during the summer a naked bike would be better because it would be cooler at highway speeds.

I'm probably leaning toward faired bikes, though. When I do my commute it seems my gear, in particular my gloves fail miserably to hold in enough heat. I'd ride in tomorrow to work, but there is still a lot of snow out there and it melted a lot today but those run-off trails will all be frozen when I ride in the morning.

I think three weeks ago Sunday was the last time I rode - it was a test ride to my work. Everything failed - on the way home I had to stop at a rest stop for 30 minutes to warm up enough to make it home.

Dealing with wind using the fairing as a said and the cross winds - isn't as important to me. At least right now. Maybe we'll have a windier climate with global warming and I'll change my mind. :) just kidding.

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Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:43 pm

Brackstone wrote:I went from my Ninja 250 (Faired) to my Shiver (Naked).

The windchill does really help as I can be standing outside and feel alright but the second I start moving it gets brisk. I've noticed that when it's like 50 degrees out I'm ok up to 40MPH and when it's 40 degrees out I'm ok to like 30 etc. etc.

But the chill only really bothers me in my hands well my fingers to be precise, I find my jacket and pants to always be sufficient.

My Solution? I went out and bought some hand guards for my Shiver.



The wind was scary at the beginning but I just pushed through it and got over my fears. Now I think being Naked is awesome IMO. I love feeling the wind push against me as I travel at high speeds. Plus it keeps me safe because everything feels that much faster. When I'm on the Highway doing 75 I really don't feel like changing lanes or making any "Aggressive" moves.
I might have to check in to hand guards - for either my current bike or whatever it is I get. I don't mind riding in cold - 26 degree weather like tomorrow - as long as there isn't any wet/frozen stuff on the road, I'll ride.

It is funny though... The things you'll never know - even going for a test ride on a bike - and have to make the decision to buy it. I guess it doesn't matter for most riders that do it for the joy of riding. But I want to commute and a bike has to be as near-car level as possible.

But there ain't no way I'm going to kick 20K+ for a Gold Wing. I'd need to make a few more grand a year for that.

I do like your idea about controlling the aggressive nature of riding by feeling you are moving faster with the wind resistance and stuff like that.

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Unread post by Wrider » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:24 am

Well not all of that is necessarily true either.
For example, when I rode a Triumph Speed Triple 955i I didn't even feel a decent amount of wind until I hit 90. Otherwise it felt like a fully faired bike, even though it was naked.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:59 am

RhadamYgg wrote:I suppose on the flip side during the summer a naked bike would be better because it would be cooler at highway speeds.
You betcha. My wife’s Trophy is well known for slowly cooking the rider in a traffic jam in the summer – the amount of heat coming up under the fairing is impressive!
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Brackstone wrote:My Solution? I went out and bought some hand guards for my Shiver.
I might have to check in to hand guards - for either my current bike or whatever it is I get.
The Vstrom 1000 comes with stock handguards and I highly recommend them for cold weather - anything that takes a sensitive part of your body out of the direct blast of frigid air helps immensely.
Wrider wrote:Well not all of that is necessarily true either.
For example, when I rode a Triumph Speed Triple 955i I didn't even feel a decent amount of wind until I hit 90. Otherwise it felt like a fully faired bike, even though it was naked.
Yeah, but was that your main bike then? How long were your rides? Wind fatigue really builds up on all day rides - on an hour-long ride you might not even notice.
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Unread post by Wrider » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:43 pm

To be fair it was just a 20 min. test ride. But at the same time I was comparing it to my Volusia and the sportbikes I've ridden. Unless you're tucked even a sportbike doesn't offer must protection.
It had much less windblast than the Volusia and the supersports I've ridden is what I was getting at.
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Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:14 pm

If it's your main bike consider that the 919 is setup more for performance- which means more maintenance. Personally, I find the interceptor to be the superior bike for reasons well beyond faired/unfaired. Higher reliability, less maintenance, wicked sweet swing arm, better body positioning allowing all day riding, one of the smoothest motors ever, better parts availability and a huge owner support group
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Unread post by RhadamYgg » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:25 pm

Wrider wrote:Well not all of that is necessarily true either.
For example, when I rode a Triumph Speed Triple 955i I didn't even feel a decent amount of wind until I hit 90. Otherwise it felt like a fully faired bike, even though it was naked.
How long did it take you to get to 90? Just kidding... I noticed that some naked bikes have a really wide tank or other features that might help serve to deflect the wind.

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storysunfolding wrote:If it's your main bike consider that the 919 is setup more for performance- which means more maintenance. Personally, I find the interceptor to be the superior bike for reasons well beyond faired/unfaired. Higher reliability, less maintenance, wicked sweet swing arm, better body positioning allowing all day riding, one of the smoothest motors ever, better parts availability and a huge owner support group
That swing arm is really cool, isn't it. :)

Since I intend to put lots of miles on the bike - reliability lower maintenance is important.

I do wonder how you tighten the drive chain with only one side on the swing arm - potentially, I think that could be much easier.

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Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:56 pm

RhadamYgg wrote: I do wonder how you tighten the drive chain with only one side on the swing arm - potentially, I think that could be much easier.

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It's not hard. There's a special tool in the toolkit. If anything it's easier than a double sided swingarm. Granted the one I was shown on had a centerstand and I can't recall if that's stock or not.

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RhadamYgg wrote: I do wonder how you tighten the drive chain with only one side on the swing arm - potentially, I think that could be much easier.

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It's not hard. There's a special tool in the toolkit. If anything it's easier than a double sided swingarm. Granted the one I was shown on had a centerstand and I can't recall if that's stock or not.

I wish they didn't cost an arm and a leg or I'd own one.
Jeez man, with all the bikes you have I'm sure if you sold them *all* you'd be able to pay for most of an Interceptor - and you'd have more room in your garage.

Of course, I'd probably have more than one bike if I actually had room for it - which means I wouldn't be able to afford the Interceptor either.

Still not sure I can afford it.

But I might be a doofus and buy one anyway.

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Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:39 pm

Decent prices used. Would never buy a new one.
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storysunfolding wrote:Decent prices used. Would never buy a new one.
That's true. But I need to finance - and it is cheaper to finance with new on Honda credit - 6.9% for 60 months or 3.99% for 36 months - and the whole 0/0/0 deal.

Of course when I look for used I start drooling over CBR1000XX Blackbirds... But it actually looks like the Interceptor would be a better bike for me. I mean its nice that the Blackbirds were the fastest production bikes for a while, but I'm not terribly interested in that.

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Unread post by mazer » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:42 pm

For me - I prefer the fairing. Bracing against the wind just fatigues my muscles too much on the longer rides.

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Brackstone wrote: But the chill only really bothers me in my hands well my fingers to be precise, I find my jacket and pants to always be sufficient.

My Solution? I went out and bought some hand guards for my Shiver.



The wind was scary at the beginning but I just pushed through it and got over my fears. Now I think being Naked is awesome IMO. I love feeling the wind push against me as I travel at high speeds. Plus it keeps me safe because everything feels that much faster. When I'm on the Highway doing 75 I really don't feel like changing lanes or making any "Aggressive" moves.
For cold hands, a cheap set of electric grip heaters work wonders. $25 and maybe an hour to install yourself. Alternatively electric gloves, although a bit more pricey, you get the benefit of having the backside of your hand heated as well as the palm.

As for naked vs faired, I have always had a soft spot for naked bikes. Repli-racers are everywhere. It's nice to stand out from the crowd a bit. For racking up interstate miles, I would gladly take the fairing and a decent windshield. Constant high speeds and battling turbulent air from semi trucks gets old real quick. But on the highway, I love the feeling of riding in clean air. If you don't spend most of your time at triple digit speeds, naked bikes can be a blast.
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Unread post by TorontoBoy » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:32 pm

Naked bikes are great if at any time you wish for them to lay down and take a nap. There are less plastic pieces to clean up. For a first bike I'd certainly say naked. For the second, whatever bike you want. I think you can get frame sliders and other bolt-on pieces of metal to protect your precious tupperware.

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Unread post by RhadamYgg » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:18 pm

TorontoBoy wrote:Naked bikes are great if at any time you wish for them to lay down and take a nap. There are less plastic pieces to clean up. For a first bike I'd certainly say naked. For the second, whatever bike you want. I think you can get frame sliders and other bolt-on pieces of metal to protect your precious tupperware.
I have to admit - there are some naked bikes I like - and not just for the less plastic - but the lower cost of buying a new bike. I'd rather the extra few hundred toward ABS than plastic.

But at the same token, I like the cold weather riding - bah, I'll have to test ride a naked (if possible) and understand what I like or don't like about them.

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Re: Faired vs Naked - what is the reality with wind

Unread post by shane-o » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:46 pm

RhadamYgg wrote:So, as I indicated in a couple of posts I sat on a few bikes.

The best for me position wise was a Honda 919. The best everything else wise and almost as good was the Interceptor - except for price.

919 has no fairing at all. The Interceptor is fully faired.

In the beginning of riding - I had issues with wind - now - not so much.

So, for practicality - anyone ridden similar bikes faired/non-faired and can state as objectively as possible - how much more significant is the wind?

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Ive owned faired and non faired sporties, cruiser dont count cause they dont go much over 60 do they ??????



anyhoooo, my thoughts are, the unfaired on a calm day ist gut, but, on a head or head/cross wind will take some wrestling, I was just never able to sit and relax on the unfaired, but, I loved it and got used to it.

The faired is much easier to handle, chuck a double bubble on it, and ya can just sit there like as if the bike isnt moving, and as someone already pointed out, nasty full cross winds on a faired bike can take a lot of steering corrections to navigate through.

Also, as mentioned, i did find I got colder quicker on the unfaired, but again, i threw a double bubble on it, and that made a 70% diff to the positive in both wind drag and temp.


If the bike I wanted was unfaired, that would not stop me from buying it, it also seems to be the trend these days, sporties completely unfaired even to the point of no wind screen.


Oh and one more thing, no faired bikes will eat more petrol !!!!!!!




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