ARE HARLEYS WHAT THEY ARE CRACKED UP TO BE?

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ARE HARLEYS WHAT THEY ARE CRACKED UP TO BE?

Unread post by Bubba » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:54 am

Stopped off at Brians Harley Davidson in Langhorne, Pa. the other day while out riding. Had a good look at all the bikes he had to offer, but once again the price outweighed the want.
I heard all the usual selling points including "maintaining their value", etc.
I think this was hashed about before, but are Harleys all they are being sold to be?
Are they better made? Are they more reliable? Do they hold their resale value?
Are they worth the extra thousands and do you get your moneys worth?

I'd like to here from you diehard Harley riders and try to leave your prejudices behind.
(Former owners are welcome too. :) )

ARE HARLEYS WHAT THEY ARE CRACKED UP TO BE?
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Unread post by jonnythan » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:26 am

They're pretty price competitive with similar bikes from other manufacturers.
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Unread post by Bubba » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:33 am

jonnythan wrote:They're pretty price competitive with similar bikes from other manufacturers.
I just went through this with another member. Harleys, in the same category as my Yamaha, are about 2 to 3 thousand dollars more.
I went to their site and to their "build your own". With the accesories needed to bring their bike up to snuff with mine, it was over $16K., well over the $14K I paid for mine. To get a Harley 'stock' with all the accessories mine came with, was more than that.
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Unread post by jonnythan » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:54 am

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jonnythan wrote:They're pretty price competitive with similar bikes from other manufacturers.
I just went through this with another member. Harleys, in the same category as my Yamaha, are about 2 to 3 thousand dollars more.
I went to their site and to their "build your own". With the accesories needed to bring their bike up to snuff with mine, it was over $16K., well over the $14K I paid for mine. To get a Harley 'stock' with all the accessories mine came with, was more than that.
That was me.

And you were wrong. Go back and reread the thread ;) A Super Glide Custom with Harley bags, windshield, Sundowner bucket seat, and passenger backrest comes in under $14,300. And it does it with one more gear on the transmission. And it'll be worth way more in 10 years. And has a much bigger aftermarket.
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Unread post by KingRobb » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:52 am

I say they are...if you want that style of bike.

But like everything else with riding its about what you want.

If you want liquid cooled you prolly dont want a Harley (sans vrod)

If you want an overhead cam...you dont want a Harley.

If you want anything besides a V twin... you dont want a Harley.

Just based on retaining resale values they are worth the $2-4000 dollar difference for similar bikes... if you are buying for investment purposes.

It just comes back to what you want...if its what you want its worth it...nothing less will feel the smae to you...if its not then its not worth it.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:36 pm

Scanning craigslist and other ads, there's a large number of late-model, clean, low-mileage Harleys for sale now. If I wanted a Harley, I definitely would not go new with so many quality used ones out there. I wonder what that does to the conventional wisdom that a Harley is an investment? If the market is glutted, will the values hold up?
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Unread post by Bubba » Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:44 pm

jonnythan wrote:
Bubba wrote:
jonnythan wrote:They're pretty price competitive with similar bikes from other manufacturers.
I just went through this with another member. Harleys, in the same category as my Yamaha, are about 2 to 3 thousand dollars more.
I went to their site and to their "build your own". With the accesories needed to bring their bike up to snuff with mine, it was over $16K., well over the $14K I paid for mine. To get a Harley 'stock' with all the accessories mine came with, was more than that.
That was me.

And you were wrong. Go back and reread the thread ;) A Super Glide Custom with Harley bags, windshield, Sundowner bucket seat, and passenger backrest comes in under $14,300. And it does it with one more gear on the transmission. And it'll be worth way more in 10 years. And has a much bigger aftermarket.
Don't want to argue. I told you what I did. I added all the items that are not on the Super Glide Custom that starts at $13, but are on my Yamaha stock which I paid $14K for, and it came to over $16K.
The Yamaha comes with much more that the few items you refer to. Add a rocker shifter. Add floor boards. Add cruiser lights etc. :frusty:
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Unread post by Nalian » Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:16 pm

My bike held it's value pretty well. I bought my 883 sportster custom at $6600. I traded it in a year later for my 650r for $6000 with 3k miles on it. I found the local harley dealer a lot easier to deal with on my bike than other comparible honda and yamaha cruisers, so I went with that.

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Unread post by tcreeley » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:16 pm

Harlys are pretty great looking as bikes, and they are american made. That's a plus. But I've always heard that compared to the Honda's and Suzuki's, Harley's spend more time in the shop getting major engine work done. I don't know this to be more than a myth. Does this have any truth in it. For a long time I just figured foreign made in everything was better than American made - unless it was a tractor! Corvettes years ago had the same rep - fast but they needed work. Is this a myth for Harleys?
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Re: ARE HARLEYS WHAT THEY ARE CRACKED UP TO BE?

Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:40 pm

Bubba wrote:Stopped off at Brians Harley Davidson in Langhorne, Pa. the other day while out riding. Had a good look at all the bikes he had to offer, but once again the price outweighed the want.
So... a couple extra grand is what's stopping you from buying a Harley? If your Yamaha is a better deal and easier on the wallet, why should you care how much a Harley costs?
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Unread post by KingRobb » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:35 am

jstark47 wrote:Scanning craigslist and other ads, there's a large number of late-model, clean, low-mileage Harleys for sale now. If I wanted a Harley, I definitely would not go new with so many quality used ones out there. I wonder what that does to the conventional wisdom that a Harley is an investment? If the market is glutted, will the values hold up?
I would hope it would crush the CW and used prices would come down...because I both dont buy for investments purposes....bikes are for riding and becuase I want an older used sport ('73 would be nice but I will settle for early 80's at the end of the day) for rebuilding purposes.

Alas I am not thinking that will happen though as even with the glut most of theses guys are asking near new prices and getting them.
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Unread post by High_Side » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:44 pm

I was thinking it before I read KingRobb's post:

Bikes are toys for most of us. If you want an investment, buy equity funds. Otherwise buy the bike that turns your crank.

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Unread post by baltimorebayside » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:35 am

http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/forum ... th+Harleys

Here's a long discussion on the subject.

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Unread post by kingpinman » Wed May 28, 2008 9:58 am

If you've ever wanted an HD, especially the new 96 incher, just have them fire the thing up and grab hold of the handlebar. If that shaking and vibrating is what you want to live and ride with, GO FOR IT!

Otherwise, ride and feel no vibration (or very little) on an American made Victory, or any of the fine Japanese bikes that offer more for less.

I bought an '06 Victory Kingpin Deluxe with 30 miles on it, and it is simply awesome. Comfort, style, power...... everything a cruiser is supposed to be.

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Unread post by storysunfolding » Wed May 28, 2008 10:59 am

The vibration on the new harley's really isn't that bad. Especially compared to an old 88 sportster. Ouch.

What's with the bringing up older threads to diss harleys?
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Unread post by kingpinman » Wed May 28, 2008 6:06 pm

Not really dissing HD's, merely stating facts. My brother bought a new Ultra-Classic Electra-glide, '08 model, and I rode my first and last Harley when he offered me a ride. Never felt more vibration in a bike than that $28K plus bike...... and I personally think I could get a better vibrator for much less at the nearby adult store. The whole bike shook! Tourpak vibrated, seat vibrated, handlebars were vibrating so much could hardly grab hold of them. If I'm going to pay that much money, I want comfort. Touring wise, nothing can beat the GoldWing, or the Vision. Ultra smooth, with lots of power.

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Unread post by HYPERR » Wed May 28, 2008 7:16 pm

kingpinman wrote:Not really dissing HD's, merely stating facts. My brother bought a new Ultra-Classic Electra-glide, '08 model, and I rode my first and last Harley when he offered me a ride. Never felt more vibration in a bike than that $28K plus bike...... and I personally think I could get a better vibrator for much less at the nearby adult store. The whole bike shook! Tourpak vibrated, seat vibrated, handlebars were vibrating so much could hardly grab hold of them. If I'm going to pay that much money, I want comfort. Touring wise, nothing can beat the GoldWing, or the Vision. Ultra smooth, with lots of power.
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Unread post by High_Side » Wed May 28, 2008 10:19 pm

The V-Rod that I had out a couple of weeks ago was smooth, powerful and impressive in most every cruiser kind of way. I was not expecting to like it nearly as much as I did. Great bike.

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Unread post by KingRobb » Wed May 28, 2008 11:32 pm

I am a straight Harley guy, and I will say nothing beats a Goldwing if you a want a straight up touring bike. However, your claim of extraneous vibration is pure bullhockey. Harley touring bikes don't have the shake in them they ought to, and the only thing with any rattle at all are the softtails at this point.

From here on out, Mike should make a thread that is for Harley bashers only...seems some folk will not be happy without it.

For the rest of you..ride to your tastes...I am sorry for the need to make this rant.
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Unread post by kingpinman » Thu May 29, 2008 6:28 am

No HD bashing, merely stating what I felt riding on my Bro's '08 HD Ultra-Classic Electra Glide. Lots of vibration. But, on the good side, it was a comfortable seating position, short handlebar reach which is good, and seat height is good (better since he lowered it an inch), although not as low as some other touring models. Sound was excellent, as he installed the Rhineharts true dual system and a higher lift cam. Nothing can come close to that Harley sound, unless you want to spend $$$$$ for a BigDog or OCC bike.
As a side note, I didn't tell my Bro I hated his ride. Told him the truth, that it had unpleasant vibration, but gave him all the positives I mentioned above.
I ride a cruiser, no need for a full up tourer, so my tastes are somewhat biased to a faster, smoother and lighter bike. Sorry to those of you who feel that truthfullness is bashing...........

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