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Honda or Harley?

#1 Unread post by RangerG » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:22 pm

My original plans to get a Honda Rebel have been changed due to an unexpected windfall..

I am now trying to choose between a Harley XL883C and a Honda 750 Aero.

I would appreciate any input from forum members.

My big concern is the water cooled Honda engine...seems to be just one more thing that could go wrong.. Not sure which is cheaper to get serviced.. I have sales flyers and spec sheets spinning in my head when I sleep... :?

The Honda dealer is willing to haggle...the Harley dealer is not. I could probably save $1000.00 to $1500.00 if I got he Honda....but would I be happy down the road??....AGGGGHHHHHHH :frusty:

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#2 Unread post by cb360 » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:50 pm

I'm looking forward to this - those are two bikes I'm considering though I'll be buying a used one. I'd be happy to own either one but I'm sure there are pluses and minuses to both models.
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#3 Unread post by rnr262 » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:30 pm

Go with the Honda! They have the reputation of being bullet proof and you can spend the extra $$ you save buying accessories. No knock against the Harley, just between these two models, I'd take the Honda. Either way, I think you'll get a good bike.
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#4 Unread post by Aggroton » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:11 pm

if you like hanging out with tuff guys or with guys that think they are tuff or with yuppies who think they are tuff...get the harley...if you want to blend in with the menagerie of the biking world id get the honda...


btw im very wary of the watercooled engines...for the same reason you are...but i have no experience.

me im tuff. im going to get a 883 hugger. :laughing:
thats a sweet bike.

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#5 Unread post by RangerG » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:22 pm

Well, I did a little more homework today. I went and checked out the Aero in person. It appeard to be a nice bike and after looking it over from front to back, I was wondering how come the price was so low.. Then I bumped a cover..chrome plated plastic... :? So I tapped all the other exposed covers...chrome plated or painted plastic.. When I asked questions about tire wear because of the shaft drive, and when valved needed adjusting..the sales staff was :shock: ..seems no one askes these questions. How much do each service interval cost and is it covered under the warranty..again.. :shock: ...then ummmm...no..it costs around $250 - $300..

I was outa there....

Now it is between the XL883C or the 1200 Custom...

*Sigh*

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#6 Unread post by rnr262 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:10 pm

Get the 1200! Or, get the 883 and when you decide you want the 1200 later, they make kits for it, and poof, you have a 1200 without buying a new bike. (what the Harley guy told me to do)

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#7 Unread post by ZooTech » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:22 pm

So...what? The Harley dealership will service your new Sportster for free?

Please...

With Harley, you're gonna pay through the nose. And another thing, by buying a Sportster (a genuine Harley product) you think you've just joined their ranks...but that's not the case. All other Harley owners look down on the Sportster and most call it a "Chick's Harley".

I'm not knockin' it...my best friend has a '98 883 and his brother has an '05 883L. But I've been there during shows and rides and nobody gives his bike the time of day. It's the cheapest thing Harley could throw together so they could actually offer a bike for <$10,000...and it's a LONG way up to the next bike from there.

On a semi-related note, a co-worker of mine complimented my Mean Streak today but said, "Know what would make it better? If it were a Harley". I said, "Yeah...then I could have paid twice as much for it."

Some people just don't know...


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#8 Unread post by Gummiente » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:48 pm

ZooTech wrote:All other Harley owners look down on the Sportster and most call it a "Chick's Harley".
I like Sportsters and I am not the only one. And it is not a "chick's bike", nor is it "thrown together" and the service does not cost near as much as what you think. What DOES drain the wallet are the overpriced accessories but, like you said, some people just don't know. :roll:
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#9 Unread post by keysman » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:20 pm

Oh no, are we going to have another Harley battle again? :roll:
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#10 Unread post by TechTMW » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:23 am

I figured a guy with a simplex would just get another simplex and bolt a 16hp briggs and stratton v-twin in there :wink:

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#11 Unread post by ZooTech » Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:00 am

Gummiente wrote:
ZooTech wrote:All other Harley owners look down on the Sportster and most call it a "Chick's Harley".
I like Sportsters and I am not the only one. And it is not a "chick's bike", nor is it "thrown together" and the service does not cost near as much as what you think. What DOES drain the wallet are the overpriced accessories but, like you said, some people just don't know. :roll:
Well, I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into another one of those, so all I'm gonna say (and then I'll drop it) is that Harley has yet to justify the cost of their bikes to me. My co-worker has a VERY NICE Fatboy that he rides to work (occasionally) but he paid more than double what I paid for my Mean Streak. Now, again, it's VERY NICE so that's not where I'm goin' with this...BUT...it's not THAT nice! And by no means whatsoever did he end up with twice the bike I did! I can outrun him, out corner him, out brake him, and draw just as much attention at a show as him so...I guess I don't know, nor will I ever know. If I had $20,000+ to blow on a bike I'd be riding a GoldWing.

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#12 Unread post by TechTMW » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:09 am

For the sake of being bored, I'll post some comparable specs to compare ...
( left the Aero out, since Ranger obviously didn't like it)

H-D Sportster 1200C $8,495 ($8,795 for color other than black)

Fuel Capacity 4.6 gal
Dry Weight 557.0 lbs..
Displacement 73.20 in.³ Air cooled (1200cc)
70 hp, 79 ft-lbs
Belt drive, 5-speed, carburettor

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VTX 1300 $8,999

fuel 4.8 Gal.
Engine 1312cc liquid-cooled 52-degree V-twin
Valve Train SOHC; three valves per cylinder
76hp, 77 ft-lb
Shaft Drive, 5-speed, carburettor
Dry Weight 641.0 pounds

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Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 $9599

fuel 4.2 gal
Engine: 1,470cc liquid cooled, 50-degree V-Twin, SOHC, 8 valves
(??? hp) 83 ft-lb
Shaft Drive 5- speed, EFI
dry weight 659lbs

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Yamaha V-Star 1100 $8,499

fuel 4.5 gals
1063cc, 65-cubic-inch, air-cooled, SOHC, 75° V-twin
51.7rwhp 55ft-lb rwtq
Shaft drive, 5-spd, twin carbs
dry weight 571lbs

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Suzuki s83 $8,399

fuel 3.4 gal
83ci (1350cc), four-stroke, air/oil cooled, 45 degree V-twin, SOHC, 6-valves
shaft drive, twin carbs, 5 speed
(POWER????)
dry weight 535lbs

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From that brief comparo, the Sportster is not only competitive, it's really the only way to go if you don't want a shaft drive. And on a personal rant note WTF is up with manufacturers not advertising power outputs for these bikes!!!???!!! I can't find the power for the s83 anywhere (granted after only about 5 mins of looking) but really, what gives!?!?!?
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#13 Unread post by keysman » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:58 am

What about the Triumph Rocket III, 2300ccs. I rode one this past weekend and it was a pretty nice cruiser. It's worth checking out.
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#14 Unread post by Gummiente » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:26 am

ZooTech wrote: is that Harley has yet to justify the cost of their bikes to me.
Yes, that's a point that I agree with, but the issue here was your comments about the Sportster.
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#15 Unread post by Gummiente » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:29 am

keysman wrote:What about the Triumph Rocket III, 2300ccs. I rode one this past weekend and it was a pretty nice cruiser. It's worth checking out.
The guy is trying to decide between a 750cc or an 883cc cruiser and you wanna toss a 2300cc guided missile into his path??!! :shock:
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#16 Unread post by TechTMW » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:02 pm

Gummiente wrote:The guy is trying to decide between a 750cc or an 883cc cruiser and you wanna toss a 2300cc guided missile into his path??!! :shock:
Um *Tech rereads the first thread* well dang an 883 huh !? That sorta renders my post irrelevant!!! :oops:

(I still think the sporty's the only 750-1000cc cruiser w/ a belt drive... but I could be wrong ... and I ain't sorting thru all those bikes again to find out!!) :laughing:
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#17 Unread post by ZooTech » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:28 pm

Gummiente wrote:
ZooTech wrote: is that Harley has yet to justify the cost of their bikes to me.
Yes, that's a point that I agree with, but the issue here was your comments about the Sportster.
A) It's a "Chick's Harley"

B) It's cheap for the sake of selling for <$10,000

Where did I go astray?

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#18 Unread post by Joe Mc » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:50 pm

Why do you think a Sporster is a girl bike?

I've seen lots of guys riding them. Not my cup of tea, but a cool looking bike none the less.

Do they come in pink?
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#19 Unread post by cb360 » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:17 pm

If a Sportster is a chick's bike I better get down to the beauty shop because I'd love to have one :P
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#20 Unread post by ZooTech » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:07 pm

You know what...maybe it's a regional thing. I live in Central Ohio, and this isn't the first time our way of looking at something has differed greatly from the rest of the forum. Here the rage is liter bikes and big V-twins, but the overwhelming majority of members here at TMW seem to have a fetish with 650's and other small to midsize rides. One of my co-workers has a Shadow Ace 750, which he bought from a friend's wife, and all he can talk about is buying something >1100cc as soon as fiscally possible. We razz him all the time saying, "Hey, Mike, when you gonna bring in the other half of your bike?!" My buddy with the Sportster 883 is dying to convert it to a 1200 or trade up for a Night-Train. 'Bout the only cruiser <1000cc that gets any respect is the Suzuki C50, but that's because the chassis is misleading due to its size. I have confused the C50 for the C90 on many occasions. Hell, even the women ride big bikes. This cute little blonde in my old neighborhood (about 5'6", 130lbs) rode a nice Honda Magna, and Loonette (one of the moderators here) rides a 1600cc Mean Streak.

The Sportster 883 will get you around just fine, but around here nobody gives them the time of day. It's the nose-bleed seat at a Harley Davidson concert.

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