Honda CBR125R coming to North America rumor

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Honda CBR125R coming to North America rumor

#1 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:18 pm

I recieved information from one of our staff (High_Side) about this rumor and I thought I'd share it with you after I dug into it for research and see how possible it was. I've checked with Honda media and this is just a rumor right now, there are no press or news releases, no media pictures of the bike or official specifications or price so I have not yet included it in the 2007 Honda Buyers Guide.

Canada Motorcycle Guide is reporting a rumor of the Honda CBR125R coming to North America for this season for $3000-3500 and that includes Joe Rocket motorcycle gear (no helmet). Take it with a grain of salt.

Here is a photo of the bike and specifications as reported in CMG:

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Their scoop: http://www.cmgonline.com/bikes/articles ... index.html


SPECIFICATIONS

Bike
Honda CBR125R
MSL
$TBA (expect mid 3K)
Displacement
125 cc
Engine type
2-valve, sohc single, liquid-cooled.
13.5 hp @ 10,000 rpm. top speed of around 120 km/h.
39 km/l (2.57 L/100km). Range -\+ 390 kms.
Carburetion
Fuel Injection
Final drive
Six speed, chain drive
Tires, front
80/90-17 (IRC)
Tires, rear
100/80-17 (IRC)
Brakes, front
Single 276 mm disc with 2-piston caliper
Brakes, rear
Single 220 mm disc with 1-piston caliper
Seat height
776 mm (30.5")
Wheelbase
1294 mm (50.9")
Dry weight
118.9 Kg (262 lbs) (claimed)
Colours
Red, black, white
Warranty
36 months (with roadside assistance)



What do you think? Do you think a 125cc would sell well in North America for $3-3500 with gear?

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#2 Unread post by Sev » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:46 pm

I think it would be smarter to drop a 250cc engine into that thing as direct competition with the ex250. Right now it's basically choose between "power and aesthetics." I don't much fancy a bike with 120kmh top speed for highway trips. But I'd ride the "pee" out of it around town.

Is it carbed or FI?
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#3 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:56 pm

Sev wrote:I think it would be smarter to drop a 250cc engine into that thing as direct competition with the ex250. Right now it's basically choose between "power and aesthetics." I don't much fancy a bike with 120kmh top speed for highway trips. But I'd ride the "pee" out of it around town.

Is it carbed or FI?
It's FI, but I do agree with you about the 125cc engine. With a big country like North America vs. Europe where everything is close and packed in, I don't think it will do well, maybe for riding schools but for outside sales, better it's 250cc.

Honda DOES make it in a 250cc version, the CBR250RR:

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a VTR 250:

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Hornet 250:

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You can always bump it up to 400cc too, 400c is a great sized engine.

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#4 Unread post by VermilionX » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:00 pm

i don't need highway for all my regular commutes right now. i might get one for commuting instead of a scooter.

the only thing i don't like about the CBR125 is the riding position... it's more standard than sport, not like the aprilia RS125.

anyway... like sev said, it's way way way better looking than the EX250 but half the power, which is cool by me since if i want power, i gots my 750.

anyway... i hope this bike makes it to the US.
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#5 Unread post by flynrider » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:30 pm

In the U.S. market, I don't think the CBR will stand up to the competition from the EX250. In a land where "bigger is better" and noobs tend to shy away from even a 250cc motorcycle, a 125cc machine is going to have a very tough time selling.

Personally, I'd like to have a smaller bike for city riding, but if the price point for the CBR were close to Kawasaki's little Ninja, I'd have to go with Kaw, just on the versatility aspect. The extra horses in the EX250 provide enough power to navigate freeways. I don't think the 13.5 claimed hp on the CBR would be enough to do the job.
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#6 Unread post by Sev » Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:25 pm

I don't see it doing very well in riding schools either. An ideal riding school bike doesn't have expensive plastics on it. The bike might be able to take abuse, but you'll be replacing plastic every year to keep it looking semi decent. A Honda CG125 would be a FAR better 125cc engine for a riding school (as an added bonus they're surprisingly easy to work on too).
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#7 Unread post by Seetrout » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:38 pm

I really like tha 250 Hornet.
Great starter bike.
It's a real live four cyl too.
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#8 Unread post by Apollofrost » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:05 pm

Would it even be CA street legal?
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#9 Unread post by VermilionX » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:56 pm

apollofrost wrote:Would it even be CA street legal?
it's a 4 stroke. i don't see any problem.
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#10 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:12 am

it's wheels are cute. the 250 would be a better idea for Honda to bring state-side.
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#11 Unread post by Sev » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:42 am

The CG150 is headed this way.
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#12 Unread post by intotherain » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:00 am

who'd dish out 3 grand for a such a tiny bike??

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#13 Unread post by Shorts » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:18 am

Dohun wrote:who'd dish out 3 grand for a such a tiny bike??
That's what they run new here in JPN. The blue one that's been sitting at REd Baron's for nearly a year now is about 380,000yen brand new 125cc.

They should bring the CBR250RR to run with the Ninja. It'd really knock it's fairings off if it did.

The 250 Hornets sell like hotcakes here. I see them all over the place.


As for the rumor of the 125cc CBR coming to the States, it'll be a fairly useless bike. Out here, they are used alot, with their super revving bumble-sounding engines (I hate to hear them). But I don't see them as more than any big city/inner city/congested commute bike that isn't a scooter.

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#14 Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:15 pm

the vtr 250 looks bad "O Ring", the 125 won't cut it. We in america in many cases need to use an interstate to get around (places with high pop density at least).

I don't see it working for a riding school b/c the price includes gear, what do they care about that?

A 250-500 is a perfect sized engine. I love my 550 v twin yamaha. My 650 v twin suzuki can pull all my gear and my g/f with plenty of pep left, but if the 125 doesn't have speed, that's a huge knock against it working here in my opinion
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#15 Unread post by Puyopop » Wed May 23, 2007 7:55 pm

They are definetly being released in Canada, look at the ad right here on the the Honda Canada site. It's about 3 grand you get 3 year roadside assistance, Joe Rocket Jacket, and the bike. I've also heard they have been dealing with insurance companies trying to get insurance rates extremely low.

http://www.honda.ca/MotorcycleEng/default.htm


I agree with most in that it would be great around town, but useless on the highway. I think my money is better invested in my 250.

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#16 Unread post by High_Side » Wed May 23, 2007 10:22 pm

Two months after the fact it all seems so obvious :P

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#17 Unread post by QuietMonkey » Tue May 29, 2007 5:54 pm

I think the CBR125 is a great bike for Canada. The picture is easily worth a thousand words for that bike. There havent been any interesting 125cc street bikes in Canada for ages! I vaguely recall a few cruisers from the past.

Sure a 250 would be good too, they need BOTH, and putting there foot in the small displacement class is a great idea, which Canada is hopefully ready for... considering the price and quality of the current scooters I see out there on the streets they are a joke compared to this mini-CBR. At $149/month (according to the Honda Canada web-site) it's a steal for a fun bit of transport.

With the way traffic is in some cities, and rising fuel costs, etc. this looks like a wicked entry level, an even cool, bike. A real Frugal Flyer.

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#18 Unread post by Sandibeach » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:18 pm

Well I bought this CBR125 and couldn't be happier. I don't know about the USA, the Ninja 250 is twice as much as the CBR in Canada. Even a used Ninja runs easily around $4500-$5000 and I even then, I couldn't find very many for sale. All the used bikes I looked at that are 250cc were priced around $3000-$4000 (anything made in the year 2000 and newer). In Canada the CBR is $3500 plus tax. To insure, it's $300 a year fully insured both ways.

I think this is a great starter bike to drive around town and learn on. I've had it for a week and I'm sure by now I would have bailed on a bigger bike. You can't imagine the attention this bike is getting from fellow riders.. they want it for their friends or girlfriends starting out.

I think the other manufactures are going to follow suit. I know in Ottawa almost all the dealers are already sold out, and that was 2 weeks ago - before the bikes even came into the dealerships. I went on the Honda demo ride a couple of weeks back and he said they are selling like hot cakes!

This bike is geared for new riders, not experienced riders. My husband thinks it's a hoot to drive, but he won't give up his 600 cc bike for this.

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#19 Unread post by flw » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:54 pm

In Illinois if your 16, you are limited to 125cc's or less till your 18. There are very few real bikes for a teen to learn real skills needed for 55 mph or less skills for.

I know Kawasaki has a 125 Eliminator bike that is not nearly as good looking as the Honda. Also has less features and is more of a standard (ugly at that). Just because your limited to a 125 doesn't mean you should be limited to weenie looking bikes or scooters. It nice to see a good looking 125.

Other states may or may not have pre-eighteen bike size limits.

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#20 Unread post by Sandibeach » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:32 pm

In Ontario - Canada, there are no limits on bike size for new riders, even under the age of 18. So you can get a 16 year old kid on a 1000cc sport bike... which is just crazy!!

But on another note, you wouldn't see too many of those, because the insurance would cost more than the bike. I know guys in their mid-20's who pay easily $3-$4k a year in insurance on a 600cc.

We do have what's called "graduated licencing". Your learners permit is good for 90 days and within that time you have to take a road test, which brings you up to the next level. You can keep that licence up to 5 years, but must have it a min of 2 years. Within the 2-5 years you need to take another road test, but this one is much more involved and longer. The ministry of transportation here basically tries to discourage you from taking your tests with them... they really push the safety courses. So I think more and more riders are going that route. I know that was the first question they asked me when I went to go get my learners permit. They have very few testers and dates available. They try to make it as hard as possible, so you'll go with a school. The schools here all have certified instructors who test you.
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