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9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 years

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:55 pm
by totalmotorcycle
9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 years later

This weekend and especially today, you will hear all sorts of stories about what happend on 9/11. The majority of them will most likely focus on who did it, why and how, and anger and outrage. While these stories are important, I would prefer to focus on the common person, regardless of what nationality he/she was, who risked their heath to help the injured, distressed and deceased. They may not have known the person they were helping and they may have been a different race, creed or religion but they helped them because of a common connection: we are all human. It is in the worst possible times like these that the very best in people shine through in their selfless actions and give hope to millions of others around the world.

Let us all take pause and remember those who not only lost their lives but also thank the common person for reaching a helping hand out to a stranger.

I encourage you to post a personal story of 9/11, including stories that you remember which still touch you today.

911 Background:

September 11th or 9/11 was a series of four coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda upon the United States. On that morning, 19 al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners intentionally crashing two of the airliners into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City killing everyone on board and thousands of those working in the buildings. Within hours, World Trade Centre I, II and VII fell to become the only steel sky scrapers in the world to ever collapse due to fire. A third airliner was crashed into the Pentagon while the fourth plane crashed in a field near Shanksville in rural Pennsylvania. Almost 3,000 people were killed in total and the attacks had a significant economic impact on United States and world markets.

Thousands of tons of toxic debris resulting from the collapse of the Twin Towers contained more than 2,500 contaminants which led to debilitating illnesses among rescue and recovery workers. The Department of Homeland Security was created to coordinate domestic anti-terrorism efforts. The Patriot Act was implemented giving the federal government greater powers including the authority to detain foreign terror suspects for a week without charge, the ability to monitor telephone communications, e-mail and internet use by terror suspects and to prosecute suspected terrorists without time restrictions. Conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks spawned a resurgence of interest in government affairs around the globe.

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:28 pm
by totalmotorcycle
A few heroes of 9/11





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Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:11 pm
by dr_bar
I remember waking up and watching the news after hearing on the alarm radio that it had happened. I was facilitating a fund raising course for United Way volunteers that afternoon and my co-facilitator and I couldn't keep the tears in check, a whole lot of hugging and eye drying went on that day. Took several days to get over the anger, anguish and general feeling of helplessness that came with it all...

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:16 pm
by dr_bar
I think the biggest effect of the attacks of 9/11 was the loss of constitutional freedoms that Americans have taken for granted for many, many years.

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:58 am
by mogster
My deepest sympathies go to all that are grieving today. I was at home & had switched on morning TV to catch the news (events unfolded 0900hrs GMT). I sat transfixed as the second plane hit.

My initial & ongoing fear was that there would be "biblical" revenge taken by the USA. Unfortunately I was right.

I have complete respect for all those brave firefighters. & police etc who gave their lives on that day, however it is only the scale of the tragedy that makes it remarkable.

There have (& still are) many acts of violence around the world, some we call terrorism & some we call regime change.

British & Irish citizens died in large numbers over many years in a conflict which was actively supported & financed by outside parties including the Irish American community,

Please do not think that I am being disrepectful, all I ask is that the USA when marking this anniversary reflect on the wider picture.

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:28 am
by sunshine229
I was at home getting ready for my second day of 4th year of university. It was at a time when Mike was really into watching CNN (at the time it was the only all news channel, I think?). He had it on in the mornings as we were getting ready for our day.

I can't remember exactly what I was doing at the time he turned on the TV (CNN) but I was not in the room (probably fixing my hair or makeup). He went HOLY SHEET you've got to come in here!

It was very difficult to focus on anything but I do remember my professors just getting on with class. Being the first Tuesday of the semester it was Day #1 for some of my classes and they had to at least get us in a room to introduce the course. I do remember that most of them did not keep us in the room very long and I spent lots of time in front of the TVs scattered all around the university. Everyone just sat silently in complete shock.

As a youngen I was not at all interested in the news or current affairs. Honestly, this was my first real introduction to the dark and sinister reality that exists. It was a "maturity point" for me to learn that the world is not all happy-dappy. So for me, it was definitely a monumental happening.

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:30 am
by sunshine229
And here's a story I received by email this morning, written by the CEO of

Fellow Meetuppers,

I don't write to our whole community often, but this week is special because it's the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and many people don't know that Meetup is a 9/11 baby.

Let me tell you the Meetup story. I was living a couple miles from the Twin Towers, and I was the kind of person who thought local community doesn't matter much if we've got the internet and tv. The only time I thought about my neighbors was when I hoped they wouldn't bother me.

When the towers fell, I found myself talking to more neighbors in the days after 9/11 than ever before. People said hello to neighbors (next-door and across the city) who they'd normally ignore. People were looking after each other, helping each other, and meeting up with each other. You know, being neighborly.

A lot of people were thinking that maybe 9/11 could bring people together in a lasting way. So the idea for Meetup was
born: Could we use the internet to get off the internet -- and grow local communities?

We didn't know if it would work. Most people thought it was a crazy idea -- especially because terrorism is designed to make people distrust one another.

A small team came together, and we launched Meetup 9 months after 9/11.

Today, almost 10 years and 10 million Meetuppers later, it's working. Every day, thousands of Meetups happen. Moms Meetups, Small Business Meetups, Fitness Meetups... a wild variety of 100,000 Meetup Groups with not much in common -- except one thing.

Every Meetup starts with people simply saying hello to neighbors. And what often happens next is still amazing to me.
They grow businesses and bands together, they teach and motivate each other, they babysit each other's kids and find other ways to work together. They have fun and find solace together. They make friends and form powerful community. It's powerful stuff.

It's a wonderful revolution in local community, and it's thanks to everyone who shows up.

Meetups aren't about 9/11, but they may not be happening if it weren't for 9/11.

9/11 didn't make us too scared to go outside or talk to strangers. 9/11 didn't rip us apart. No, we're building new community together!!!!

The towers fell, but we rise up. And we're just getting started with these Meetups.

Scott Heiferman (on behalf of 80 people at Meetup HQ) Co-Founder & CEO, Meetup New York City September 2011

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:27 pm
by totalmotorcycle
I remember watching this on TV when the first plane hit and was in total shock when the 2nd one hit, then the pentagon. Although any losses are horrible, I was surprised to learn less than 3000 people were killed (the buildings I think hold on a work day 30,000), and with them being over 100 floors (just think how long it would take to go down that many stairs!) that's pretty amazing it wasn't much more.

So many people helping each other out on the streets and in the buildings. Amazing.


Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:04 am
by QuietMonkey
That was a bad day that extended out for a long time.. i stopped working for a few days.. i remember a friend in Victoria emailing me about the television footage... we were blown away... i wandered around the neighborhood thinking about big world politics culminating into this disaster.

The USA has changed a lot from this one single event and as was mentioned above, they lost a lot of friends, and freedoms, and gained a lot of pessimism and hatred, conspiratorial outlooks... the ugliness it all encompasses has been immense. hopefully the compassion and understanding flow out from it a lot further over time...

wierdly enough last night, very close to the threshold of Sep 11 (although i cant say for sure what time) I had a very bizarre experience myself which hopefully never happens again, and it also felt surreal only hours later, and even now. It definitely underscores this date for me 10 years later.

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:24 am
by Wrider
I definitely remember that day. I was walking into my 2nd hour English class in high school, and a kid who had been listening to the radio in his previous class told us about it. I remember my English teacher's face going pale and the look as he told us that he had just been there in those buildings that summer. At the time I thought the kid had meant like a Cessna or something had gone into the buildings. Then we turned on the news and I was shocked.

It definitely hit home for me as my dad is a firefighter, so all of the firefighters lost kind of sobered me up really quickly.

I also remember worrying about other potential attacks on my hometown. Within 20 miles of my house we have the Air Force Academy, Peterson AFB, Schriever AFB, Fort Carson Army Base, and NORAD.

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:27 am
by totalmotorcycle
How OTHER blogs are looking at 9/11 (I am just re-posting, not agreeing/disagreeing on the viewpoints):

Rethinking 9/11 Ten Years On

As we contemplate where we were when we heard the news of the twin towers being attacked and (most of us) watched the second tower get hit and then both fall, I believe on this 10th anniversary we should try to find some perspective both on the day itself and the path our nation has taken.

Let's first look at the basics:
•Approximately 3,000 people were killed in the attacks themselves.

•A band of murderous hijackers of middle-eastern descent, associated with radical Islam, perpetrated the attacks.

That's a lot of people that were killed by a relative few. But some perspective is in order.

Approximately 2,500,000 Americans die every year. That is, about 7,000 people die every single day from various causes around the nation. Of those people who die every year about 600,000 expire from heart disease (1,690 a day), 563,000 expire from cancer (1,500 daily), 136,000 from strokes (~370 daily) and 124,000 from accidents (~340/day.)

The hijackers just managed to kill about one half of the nation's daily "quota" of deaths through their heinous violence. We should never forget what they did, why they did it, or who they were.

But we should also not forget some other inconvenient facts, especially in light of our Government's response.
•Janet Napolitano likes to trumpet "See something, say something." What she doesn't want you to remember is that we did see something, and we did say something. The Government ****ed it up from there and nobody was held to account for doing so. Specifically, the hijackers showed up in a little town in Florida and paid a lot of money to a flight school to learn how to fly planes months before the attacks. See, big-jet simulator time is quite expensive and these "students" had no shortage of money. The problem was that they had no interest in learning how to land said planes. The owner of the school reported this to the government as ridiculously suspicious and the government sat on the information. But for our government's abject stupidity and willful and intentional refusal to follow up on the information received in a timely manner from concerned and patriotic citizens the attacks would not have occurred.

•Our Government intentionally refuses to enforce immigration law. Not only has it refused in the past, it refuses today. There are more than twenty million potential terrorists in this nation as illegal invaders right now and we refuse to get rid of them despite being very able to do so. Let us never forget that most of these hijackers were here on expired visas and thus were not eligible to be present in the United States. Not only is our government so outrageously and willfully blind as to who is in this nation as a visitor to the point that it ignores illegal immigration and overstayed visas it actually mailed visa renewal paperwork to some of the DEAD terrorists after the attacks! But for this intentional and willful neglect of the law by our government the attacks would not have occurred.

•Our Government is more concerned with protecting coddled industries than allowing the market to punish those that are culpable when citizens are injured or killed due to the actions or inactions of those in the coddled industry. Specifically, the airlines. Post 9/11 the reason for lack of armoring cockpit doors was examined and it turned out to be, big surprise, a money issue. See, armored doors weigh quite a bit and another passenger brings revenue where a door does not. The role of this decision and others related to the events of the day were never explored in court as the airlines were granted effective immunity from lawsuit after 9/11 through both ex-post-facto protection via payments to the victims families and the establishment of the TSA. This is not isolated behavior -- the government takeover of GM and Chrysler destroyed a significant number of pending legal claims for defective automobiles that were alleged to cause death or serious injury. But for the government's willful and intentional interference in the legal process we would likely have new airlines with more-robust security procedures and a choice of airline security procedures as customers. In addition were the airlines to make mistakes leading to injury or death we or our next-of-kin could sue. Instead we are rape-scanned, groped, humiliated and abused at the hand of government while the airlines and owners of airports are absolved not only of their retrospective culpability but in advance of possible future incidents.

•Not only has our government used this incident as a pretext to violate our 4th Amendment Rights (such few as remained after the "War On Drugs" was escalated in the 1980s and 1990s) it thinks it's perfectly fine to sell guns to people when it knows they're prohibited persons - and "Gunwalker" is not the only example. We are uncovering more exmples of sales to known felons in gangs across the country, specifically approved by government override of what would otherwise be NICS denials. Oh, the government also covers up these incidents whenever possible, especially when the guns are then used to shoot innocent people. If we're going to have the government doling out firearms to people who are legally prohibited from buying them we should simply drop the pretext of "gun laws" altogether and instead embrace The Second Amendment. Indeed one of the primary purposes of The Second Amendment is recognition of every person's unalienable (that means it's your right and cannot taken from you by a government) to self-defense - no matter who's committing the offense. It's only been 225 years since we had to learn this one the hard way. How many terroristic actions domestically have involved someone walking into somewhere and starting to shoot, irrespective of their motivation? Of those, how many had an armed law-abiding citizen present who had the ability to stop the assailant? The answer to that one is easy: Not anywhere near enough. For those who claim that Americans are incapable of dealing with such a situation properly and would either fire wildly in response (killing innocents) or cower in fear I remind you of the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93, and ask that you please not defecate on their graves. "Piloted bombs" expired as a potential terrorist weapon within approximately one hour of their first use directly due to the heroic and patriotic acts of Americans. This nation is full of people who repeatedly demonstrate the ability to properly respond to such circumstances, given the opportunity, even at the risk and actual cost of their own lives.

9/11 was a serious incident of international Islamic terrorism. We must never forget that. But most of the economic harm and damage to our freedom that has come since has been self-inflicted. 3,000 dead Americans at the hand of religious nutjobs are 3,000 too many, but in context it is less than half of the number who die of natural and accidental causes each and every day in this nation.

Our response to this incident has been a travesty. Rather than make clear that such incidents will bring retaliation against those who it is traced to (which was inconvenient given what that government sells us) in the provision of funds and the nationality of those who participate we instead created a monstrous hundred billion dollar a year apparatus that shielded those who were partially responsible for the success of these attacks and provided cover for future liability.

809 million people flew on airplanes in the United States in 2010. If we assume that the imposition of TSA screening imposed a 10 minute additional wait on each passenger, on average, the total amount of lost time is 135 million hours. If each of those persons' time is worth $10/hour then TSA screening alone results in an economic loss of $1.4 billion simply in passenger time, not counting a nickel of their salary and benefit expense. Over the last ten years that's $14 billion just in direct economic impact on the passengers.

Further, of those 809 million people in the last year, exactly zero of them attempted to blow up an airliner or hijack it while in the air. There have been a couple of attempts at blowing up planes by a terrorist on board since 9/11, with the Shoe Bomber and the Underwear Bomber being your examples. But at least one of those (the underwear bomber) was again a colossal US Government ****up, in that this individual boarded a plane for the United States and that flight was cleared into US airspace despite him not having a valid passport and visa. Exactly how that happened has never been answered nor has anyone in our government been held to account.

This record, however, belies the truth -- out of somewhere north of five billion passengers on US airline flights since 9/11 the total number of suicide-intending passengers that tried to blow up or commandeer an airliner can be counted as two. That is, the odds of an attempted terrorist being on the plane with you, assuming the average plane holds 200 people, is 1 in 12.5 million every time you get on board. The odds of you being struck by lightning in the US are approximately one in a million per year, so if you fly once a year you're 12 times more likely to be hit by lightning than share a plane with an attempting terrorist. You are nearly 1,000 times more likely to die in your car due to a crash on the way to the airport than to share a plane with an attempting terrorist. The odds since 9/11 of a successful terrorist killing you on an airliner (remember, Reed was stopped by the passengers as was the underwear bomber) have been (thus far) zero. The TSA refuses to tell us if they've ever caught an actual terrorist attempting to hijack or blow up an airplane, despite the fact that every single one of those offenses would be a serious felony and subject the perpetrator to a very public trial in a US courtroom. I do not recall reading of any such trials anywhere in the United States, while both the underwear bomber and shoe bomber were publicized. The only conclusion we can reasonably draw from the record is that the TSA has not caught one single suicidal terrorist. The shoe and underwear bombers were the only two since 9/11 and the TSA caught neither -- both were caught by citizens on the plane itself! They have, however, groped millions and millions of balls and breasts and will continue to do so each and every year until you demand they stop.

Further, if there are so many people willing to die in order to kill why haven't any of them showed up in a security line and blown themselves up before they got to the checkpoint? There's absolutely nothing that we can do about that, just as searching people going into a subway station doesn't prevent the bad guy from walking up to the searcher and detonating himself, killing dozens or even hundreds. In fact exactly that does happen in other nations with disturbing regularity. But it hasn't happened here, and it's not for lack of ability on the part of the so-called terrorists. One must therefore deduce that while there may be many murderous thugs there simply aren't very many people willing to die themselves in order to commit their murders.

At the same time we ceded more and more of our freedom - freedom to travel, freedom to associate, freedom to communicate. Our 4th Amendment is now a bad joke, being reduced to nothing more than soiled toilet paper in the dustbin of history. Our police forces have gone from being an extension of the citizen posse to a jackbooted group that breaks into homes via dynamic entry on the flimsiest of pretext and far too often kill animals and people, then reach ex-post-facto for justification not through citizen review but their own biased and internal process. There is a dead woodcarver along with several dead mentally-compromised individuals who could not be reasonably perceived as a threat to the officer(s) in question just in the last year standing testament to a justified hatred and fear of police forces by this nation's citizens. Never is it asked, from David Koresh to the man wanted in Detroit (that led to the death of an innocent pre-teen girl at the hands of the cops who fired indiscriminately into her home while she was sleeping on a couch) why it is that the cops couldn't do basic police work and wait for their wanted individual to emerge from wherever he is, making possible his arrest where he has no reasonable cover or concealment and thus grossly reducing the risk of violence. Further, as in the case of the woodcarver, why is it that such an arrest, if it was necessary, couldn't be undertaken by remaining far enough beyond the reach of the person that his penknife could not be used as an effective weapon? After all the cops are supposed to deliver the accused to a courtroom for trial and adjudication of guilt or innocence, not serve as summary executioners, right?

In short 9/11 was a monstrous act committed by some very twisted individuals. But the vast majority of the damage that came from 9/11 to this country is both self-inflicted and ridiculously misdirected. We would have been far better off had we ejected from government, including voiding all pensions and benefits, of everyone who willfully ignored the information presented that could have stopped the attack, and we'd be far safer today were we to shut down the open border and enforce immigration law. Were the formalities that are in that observed 9/11 would not have happened and the underwear bomber never would have gotten on the plane - that leaves simply Reed with his attempted shoe bomb over the last ten years, and he failed in his murderous quest.

As we remember 9/11 let us turn from stupidity to intelligence, and demand more and better from our government. It is within our power to so demand and enforce through the political system, and by doing so we honor those who lost their lives on this day to never forget.

- From the

Re: 9/11 - September 11th, 2001 - September 11, 2011: 10 yea

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:29 am
by totalmotorcycle
And other blog's viewpoints:

Ten years after 9/11, Muslims and Westerners are far apart
Al-Qaeda linked terrorists threaten both Muslims and non-Muslims


Many Muslims don't believe that Arabs were responsible for 9/11

Many Americans believe that ordinary Muslims are out to kill Americans. Muslims return the favor by overwhelmingly believing that Muslims were NOT responsible for the 9/11 terror acts. This is one of the findings of a Pew Research Center report on relations between Muslims and Westerners.

"Muslim and Western publics continue to see relations between them as generally bad, with both sides holding negative stereotypes of the other. Many in the West see Muslims as fanatical and violent, while few say Muslims are tolerant or respectful of women. Meanwhile, Muslims in the Middle East and Asia generally see Westerners as selfish, immoral and greedy – as well as violent and fanatical."


Pew report findings

One finding of the Pew study that is seldom reported in the West is that both Westerners and Muslims are almost equally concerned about Islamist extremism.

For example, 77% of Israelis, 76% of Russians and 69% of Americans are concerned about Islamist extremism, but so are 78% of Palestinians, 73% of Lebanese, and 64% of Egyptians.

This isn't surprising when you consider the fact that al-Qaeda linked terrorist acts have killed far more ordinary Muslims than Westerners. This proves that Islamist terrorism is a threat to everyone, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, when I report on Muslims, I distinguish between three groups. The largest group (probably 99.9%) are ordinary Muslims who are just trying to get through the day and feed and house their children, and aren't out to harm anyone. Even where anti-Americanism is high, which is certainly the case in Pakistan, it doesn't mean that ordinary Muslims wish harm to Americans; it does mean that they want Americans to go home, since they (incorrectly) blame Americans for the almost daily terrorist attacks in Pakistan. An analogous group in the West are what I've been calling for years the "loony left" in America, who are highly anti-American, but aren't terrorists. Many NY Times and MSNBC reporters and personalities appear to be in this category.

The second group, sometimes called "salafists," commit terrorist acts over local or regional issues. Many of these groups either want nothing to do with al-Qaeda, or simply have not established a connection with al-Qaeda, but they still have no objections to blowing up a local shopping center to make a national political point. Analogous non-Muslim groups in the West are IRA and ETA terrorists.

The third group, the "jihadists," are al-Qaeda linked terrorist groups. These include al-Qaeda itself (headquartered in Pakistan/Afghanistan), Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), Al-Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP - Yemen), and Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM - North Africa). These groups are actively seeking to bring terrorism to Europe and America, and are dangerous to everyone, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Interestingly enough, the Pew report only focuses on Sunni Muslims, pointedly omitting Iran, which has a largely pro-Western population, despite its hardline anti-Western leadership.

As I've said in the past, I expect the coming Clash of Civilizations world war to pit China, Pakistan and the Sunni Muslim nations against America, Russia, India and the West, and I expect Iran, when forced to choose, will side with Israel and the West.

- From Generational Dynamics