Helmet laws - for or against

Are you in favor of helmet laws?

Yes
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44%
Rabidly YES - everyone should be required to wear a full face helmet
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15%
No
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21%
Limited - Only for younger or inexperienced riders
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21%
 
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#21 Unread post by grymlocke » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:30 am

skoebl wrote:I like helmet laws, but also agree that the choice should be with the rider. I know that if I hadn't been wearing my helmet when I went down, I wouldn't have a face. Almost ALL the damage to my helmet was on the front from the top of the visor to the chin (visor was actually shredded into little pieces).

I like the laws because they sorta force you into habits that you may take for granted until they save your "O Ring".
like seatbelts....I've gotten into the habit so much I feel naked if I don't click it :laughing: same with a helmut, a bicycle is the only thing I ride without one.... :laughing:

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#22 Unread post by Apollofrost » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:05 am

grymlocke wrote: you don't live in CA do you?..they ARE trying to dicates eating habits, sex and a smoke.... :roll:
Ugh, I'm moving back there in a few weeks. I love the diversity but hate the over regulation. They just banned smoking in the entire downtown where I used to live. Now they want to make it so you can't smoke in your apartment if it's close to another one because the smoke might waft over to bother your neighbor.

I don't even smoke and this pisses me off.
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#23 Unread post by BlueBomber » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:24 pm

needs another option: "I don't care either way, i'll wear my helmet no matter what"

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#24 Unread post by BlueBomber » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:27 pm

my dad has another idea. He thinks that the rider should not be required, making his own bad choices, but they should require a pillon passenger SHOULD be required to wear them.

I don't want to get into the long version of his reasoning, but basically it's probably not guy on the backs fault guy up front rides like an "O Ring", and guy up front should have an investment in his passengers bodily safety.

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#25 Unread post by grymlocke » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:35 am

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grymlocke wrote: you don't live in CA do you?..they ARE trying to dicates eating habits, sex and a smoke.... :roll:
Ugh, I'm moving back there in a few weeks. ...
I sure hope your not talking about Peoples Republic of Davis, they'll arest you for snoring to loud....San Fransisco requires restaurant menu's to list nutrition info for the items listed (like those little labels on stuff you buy at the grocery) and get this folks....
...some of those gated communities that people think they're same in (at the expense of individuality) BAN BIKES! they're are several lawsuits already pending against home owner associations and their CC&R's for that..... :frusty:

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#26 Unread post by Apollofrost » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:44 am

Ugh, it's just getting too squeaky clean at the expense of anyone who doesn't fit the mold.

Don't smoke, don't wear anything we call offensive, MEAT IS MURDER!

Unless of course you're a minority, then it's bend over backwards time. A girl in my home town kept getting harassed by the other kids because she was Mormon. They would make outright nasty comments and the school did nothing even after her parents repeatedly asked for them to please put a stop to it. So one day when a kid asks her if she had a few moms ( polygamy jokes are sooo clever ) she goes "That's so gay," and is promptly suspended.

Now it's not OK to use "gay" as a derogative, but that's not the issue. The issue is that they didn't do anything about constant harassment and religious intolerance after repeatedly being asked to do something about it, yet they suspend this girl for insulting another minority because that minority happened to be the hot issue at the time.

This for me sums up Cali nicely:

The vocal people like to be offended, they fear anything that might not be politically correct (unless it's said by another minority, then it's OK to laugh.),

and

"holier than thou" health conscious vegan a**holes will berate you over your choice of lunch(or if you smoke) while wearing leather belts and shoes made my little Asian kids in sweatshops.

It's way out of control, but I'm moving back because:

I love the diversity: Different sub-cultures and cultures mixing to a point where you can find whatever or whoever you click with.

The food: You can find whatever type of food you can imagine, and you can always get good fresh fruit year round (I've missed that).

The weather: It snows in my home town once every 20 years, and it's never super hot.

The acceptance: I like being able to walk through the mall dressed however I like and have people give me a thumbs up if they like it, or just be quiet if they don't. Yes, you will get hecklers if you walk around in a trenchcoat, but it's a lot rarer there than it is where I currently reside.

So there are a lot of things I strongly dislike about Cali, but the good things outweigh the bad, at least for me they do.

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#27 Unread post by flw » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:20 am

First I believe that just like seat belts, helmets should be required for all ages.

Second for those that say it doesn't cost the rest of us anything, your wrong. If your father is having chest pains and your waiting on the paramedics but their not available due to a motorcycle rider that decided to take out a bridge etc... with his trusty steed.

Now every minute counts, and you just have to wait.
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#28 Unread post by Johnj » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:54 am

Yea...or you could have been forced into the guardrail by some cage who didn't stop and the paramedics are with your father who has chest pains.

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#29 Unread post by t_bonee » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:18 pm

flw wrote:First I believe that just like seat belts, helmets should be required for all ages.

Second for those that say it doesn't cost the rest of us anything, your wrong. If your father is having chest pains and your waiting on the paramedics but their not available due to a motorcycle rider that decided to take out a bridge etc... with his trusty steed.

Now every minute counts, and you just have to wait.
Or maybe you had your lid on but a rail on the bridge impaled your gut and completed missed your helmet covered head.

If your going to use that type of reasoning, then you go ahead and stop riding your bike all together. The risk of any kind of accident happening, lid or not, will tie up paramedics keeping them from those who really need them. :roll: Oh yeah, stop driving in your cage too. You might have an accident and require some paramedics to care for you that could otherwise be used for caring for some guys chest pains.
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#30 Unread post by Flting Duck » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:32 pm

BlueBomber wrote:my dad has another idea. He thinks that the rider should not be required, making his own bad choices, but they should require a pillon passenger SHOULD be required to wear them.

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#31 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:49 am

A foreigner's point of view . . .

A casual look at DOT statistics in my country indicate that, when it comes to road user fatalities, the highest number of, er, "contributions" (sorry about the english) comes from pedestrians. Motorcyclists only contribute 1%.

And in general, most injuries/fatalities occur in and around the home.

The "taxpayer money/healthcare" argument does have a point, but if we were to follow it to it's logical end, it gives the government the right to regulate, say, helmet use while taking a bath, or fixing the roof, or indeed, crossing the street. Sounds silly, but statistically speaking, it would make more sense where i live than helmet regulation.

Anyway, laws aside, the only time I don't ride without a helmet is when i run out to "repark" the car from the street to my garage.
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#32 Unread post by Sev » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:52 am

Even if I wasn't required to wear one, I'd still do it.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#33 Unread post by storysunfolding » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:26 am

I'm in favor of wearing a helmet because I love my higher reasoning.

I wear a full face helmet b/c I like having my mandible and thus, chewing my food.

I endorse helmet laws because I'm an EMT and I've seen plenty of cases where someone would either still be alive or have had alot less trauma.

I've also seen the insurance figures and calculations that two major insurance companies use to calculate costs in states with and without helmet laws. They also take into consideration areas in states with helmet laws that border states without these laws. It's fairly alarming.

I was only privy to this information as my Uncle was a Senior VP at one company 10 years ago and the chairman of the other now. He's the same guy who was asked to testify on behalf of the insurance industry back in the 90's when Michigan was reconsidering it's helmet law. I used to have the link handy to the transcript but you can find him from this statement.

State Senator: "The research that I've seen proves that riders with helmets have a higher rate of serious injury in accidents over 35mph than those without"

His response: "Then maybe you should be considering a law allowing riders to remove their helmets above 35mph." :laughing:

Apparently he couldn't help himself and had to state the obvious. He also likes to say that riding like your invisible is a crappy idea. You need to know that every car can see you, they're just trying their damnedest to kill you!
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#34 Unread post by flynrider » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:36 pm

storysunfolding wrote: I endorse helmet laws because I'm an EMT and I've seen plenty of cases where someone would either still be alive or have had alot less trauma.
My next door neighbor is an EMT. He endorses the banning of motorcycles altogether for exactly the same reason (and never fails to remind me of his opinion on a regular basis).

It all comes down to how far one is willing to go to control his neighbor's activities, in the name of protecting them from themselves.

BTW- I don't know if I mentioned it in this thread, but I (voluntarily) wear a brain bucket on about 99% of my rides.
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#35 Unread post by Murph » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:13 pm

I chose No only because I think it should be a personal decision. I personally wear a helmet, even when my friends don't wear theirs. I use to not wear one, but i recently decided to buy a DOT helmet I really liked so I could wear it all the time. I don't want to get seriously injuried because I wasn't wearing a helmet. I still think it should be a person's choice to wear one or not.
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#36 Unread post by blues2cruise » Tue May 01, 2007 10:47 pm

I wear a full face helmet. It saved the back of my head in my collision. Now I need a new helmet....this one got cracked from the impact.

It takes only a split second to go from glorious freedom and enjoyment to being in a facility due to brain injury. I don't care to take that chance.

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#37 Unread post by Sicko » Tue May 01, 2007 11:03 pm

Why don't they make a full body helmet? Broken spinal cords and internal trauma ain't no fun either. 8)

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#38 Unread post by Scott58 » Wed May 02, 2007 11:06 am

I vote no. No one should care what some one else does. It doesn't effect you one way or another. Most of the time I wear a helmet sometimes i don't. My choice. It doesn't effect your insurance. insurance in helmet law states is just as expensive as those who don't and it's cheaper to die anyway. case in point My cousin (who was in full gear) died when an elderly guy pulled out in front of him. Cost of burial $15,000. My brother who was wearing a seat belt in a car hit by a drunk lived and on going medical stuff is at $150,000 to date. It's just about people enjoying telling others what to do. maybe we should all wear uniforms with little arm bands. Wouldn't that just be great.
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#39 Unread post by NightNurse » Fri May 04, 2007 10:36 am

I voted no. I think it should be a personal choice.

I wear a 3/4 helmet. I have a full face one, and felt claustraphobic, and couldnt concentrate on riding :/. Maybe I will shop for another one. My boyfriend only wears a helmet when its raining or cold. I always wear one, I dont always like that fact that he doesn't. But bugging him about it, isnt going to make him wear one.

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#40 Unread post by NightNurse » Fri May 04, 2007 10:37 am

p.s. I feel the exact same way about seatbelt laws. It should be a personal choice...

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