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#1 Unread post by day1yun » Wed May 09, 2007 12:59 pm

Which bike out of the following: 03-06 CBR600RR, 03-05 R6, and the 01-06 zx-6r is least likely to throw a person off with an accidental blip in the throttle at low-mid rpm ranges?

I've read the CBR600rr lacks low to mid end power so I'd think that would be the answer...

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#2 Unread post by jonnythan » Wed May 09, 2007 1:06 pm

The RR means race replica.

That bike is basically the street version (turn signals, mirrors, etc) of a bike ready to race on a track.

It is a poor beginner's bike as it will be dangerous due to the sensitive throttle and brakes, be very difficult to learn on, and be pretty boring because you will be using so little of its power band.

The RR bikes are the bikes that people are talking about when they say newbies should not buy high-power sportbikes.

That thing has over 100 hp and would probably hit over 175 mph.
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#3 Unread post by badfish89 » Wed May 09, 2007 1:43 pm

jonnythan wrote:The RR means race replica.

That bike is basically the street version (turn signals, mirrors, etc) of a bike ready to race on a track.

It is a poor beginner's bike as it will be dangerous due to the sensitive throttle and brakes, be very difficult to learn on, and be pretty boring because you will be using so little of its power band.

The RR bikes are the bikes that people are talking about when they say newbies should not buy high-power sportbikes.

That thing has over 100 hp and would probably hit over 175 mph.

im pretty sure it could... prolly 180.
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#4 Unread post by tortus » Wed May 09, 2007 1:48 pm

Look into the Ninja 650R (which my avatar is a pic of). Some people recommend this as a beginner's bike, others recommend it as an intermediate bike (I'm in this crowd). It has 73 hp, so it's not nearly as fast as the bikes you mentioned, but it's also a lot easier to control.

When I pull the throttle all the way back on my 650R, the engine screams, it feels like I'm getting about 200 Gs of force, and I'm going 85mph in the blink of an eye. Plenty of power -- this bike is smoking fast. It's by far the fastest vehicle I've ever been on, by a huge margin. No need to go as far as the bikes you mentioned which are so fast I can't even comprehend them.

You don't need a top of the line sport bike to have fun. I'm thoroughly in love with my little medium sized Ninja, and my friend LOVES his baby 250 Ninja. These smaller bikes still have a ton to offer.

When I've got the skills, I'll probably get me a RR bike. But I want to make sure I live to see that day.

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Re: Question about 600cc sport bikes

#5 Unread post by storysunfolding » Wed May 09, 2007 3:06 pm

day1yun wrote:Which bike out of the following: 03-06 CBR600RR, 03-05 R6, and the 01-06 zx-6r is least likely to throw a person off with an accidental blip in the throttle at low-mid rpm ranges?

I've read the CBR600rr lacks low to mid end power so I'd think that would be the answer...
If one is any less likely, it's negligible. SInce you're asking I'm willing to bet you're a new rider. Read the stickies in the new rider forum and look for those bikes.

Your first bike won't normally be your last, but on a race replica you're more likely to make it your last bike. "There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots"- Applies to riders too.
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Re: Question about 600cc sport bikes

#6 Unread post by Sev » Wed May 09, 2007 7:43 pm

day1yun wrote:Which bike out of the following: 03-06 CBR600RR, 03-05 R6, and the 01-06 zx-6r is least likely to throw a person off with an accidental blip in the throttle at low-mid rpm ranges?

I've read the CBR600rr lacks low to mid end power so I'd think that would be the answer...
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#7 Unread post by hi-side » Wed May 09, 2007 8:31 pm

Ugh... No stock 600 will do 175 or 180. A fully race prepped 600 will do 170 at a track like Road America or Daytona with a tail wind. Unless you get into Formula Extreme 600s that are putting out near 1000 cc stock numbers or close to 150 HP at the rear wheel and then you're still talking 175... but thats a 100k+ bike at that point... and nowhere near or even close to s "street" bike.

A stock 600 will do 155 at best on a good day with a tail wind... and I don't care what the speedo says... its wrong.

And none of the aforementioned bikes is "likely to throw" a person off for an accidental blip of the throttle at any kind of rpm range.

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#8 Unread post by flynrider » Wed May 09, 2007 8:54 pm

hi-side wrote:And none of the aforementioned bikes is "likely to throw" a person off for an accidental blip of the throttle at any kind of rpm range.
Well, that depends on what constitutes an "accidental blip". The scenario that I've seen at least a dozen times (and about 100 times on you tube) goes like this :

1.Noob applies too much throttle and the bike launches forward.
2. Noob becomes alarmed and instinctively tightens his grip.
3. Noob has now opened the throttle even further and is pretty much along for the ride, at a pretty good clip. (Often the feet are comically scraping the ground at this point)
4. There are various endings to this scenario, depending on whether or not there are trees, parked cars, moving cars or a curb in front of the bike.

Any of the bikes mentioned in the original post are likely to have worse outcomes that bikes with more reasonable accelleration qualities.
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Re: Question about 600cc sport bikes

#9 Unread post by Shorts » Wed May 09, 2007 10:01 pm

day1yun wrote:Which bike out of the following: 03-06 CBR600RR, 03-05 R6, and the 01-06 zx-6r is least likely to throw a person off with an accidental blip in the throttle at low-mid rpm ranges?

I've read the CBR600rr lacks low to mid end power so I'd think that would be the answer...

...dude...if you're looking for a loophole, that ain't it.

But hey, your skin, your body, your money. Just say, "I want to be supercool and not look like a wuss. I cannot wait for a large fast bike so I want it now. I'll outgrow anything smaller anyway" :roll:

...but let me guess, you're a big guy, 6' 200+ right? And you need more poweful bike to move you around.

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#10 Unread post by Flipper » Wed May 09, 2007 10:49 pm

I'm guessing that crashing at 170mph feels about the same as crashing at 180mph.....give or take.....
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#11 Unread post by Damian » Wed May 09, 2007 11:16 pm

Flipper wrote:I'm guessing that crashing at 170mph feels about the same as crashing at 180mph.....give or take.....
Yeah, on the street, it's probably painless.
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#12 Unread post by Flting Duck » Thu May 10, 2007 12:18 am

Flipper wrote:I'm guessing that crashing at 170mph feels about the same as crashing at 180mph.....give or take.....
Maybe it's just me but I'm thinking that taking a bike down at 70-80 isn't such a good thing either. :roll:
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#13 Unread post by deejake » Thu May 10, 2007 1:59 am

I'd have to say the CBR as well. It's the tamest of the midweight super sports.

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#14 Unread post by storysunfolding » Thu May 10, 2007 6:37 am

Flting Duck wrote:
Flipper wrote:I'm guessing that crashing at 170mph feels about the same as crashing at 180mph.....give or take.....
Maybe it's just me but I'm thinking that taking a bike down at 70-80 isn't such a good thing either. :roll:

Well half the momentum, half the distance to slide, less distance might lower your probability of going off the road or hitting a light pole.

I know a few guys that went down at 70 and were mostly ok. Don't know anyone off the track who survived at faster speeds.
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#15 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Thu May 10, 2007 6:45 am

Just to throw a wrench into the whole thing, the OP didn't actually say he was a new rider or that any of the mentioned 600 supersports was gonna be his first bike.

If he is though, +1000 to pretty much every post above.
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#16 Unread post by hi-side » Thu May 10, 2007 8:46 am

The CBR has alot more mid range than an early model 01-02 Kawi, and the 03-05 kawi 600 (not the 636)sucked until it was wound all the way up. The R6 has the best mid-range until you get to the 07 models, where the CBR then takes over.

No bike is idiot proof and an SV650 has more torque at the bottom than any of these and is more prone to "throw" a person if you suddenly grab a handful at low rpm.

I have not raced the R6, however I've spent alot of time on a friend's. I have raced a 2001 SV-650, a 2002 ZX-6R, a 2003 CBR 600, and a 2005 CBR 600. The ZX-6 was the most dissapointing in all aspects from motor to handling. I've also spent quite a bit of time on the Kawi's from 2000-2004 both the 600 and the 636. The kawi is the bike of choice at the superbike school.

And last comment, this is a ridiculous thread... which bike is least likely to throw a person off ? come on

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#17 Unread post by storysunfolding » Thu May 10, 2007 8:53 am

hi-side wrote:And last comment, this is a ridiculous thread... which bike is least likely to throw a person off ? come on
Yeah, it's what made me assume this is a new rider. Not really a concern otherwise.
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#18 Unread post by Carbonfiberjunky » Sat May 12, 2007 7:56 pm

:laughing: Normaly I would say buy what you want, but if your worried about getting thrown off...I'd say stay in your cage. Oh, and I have a 2007 R6S. I read that it will do a little over 160 stock..But I seriously doubt it will ever do that with me on it. Don't just use your head for a place to hang your helmet.
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#19 Unread post by Kal » Sat May 26, 2007 12:35 pm

If there is a difference it is so infentisimal as to be not worth mentioning...

As for the CBR being tame... all things are relative. Fluffy maybe gentle for a maneating tiger, but he is still a man eating tiger.
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