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#1 Unread post by 1524montana » Fri May 13, 2005 8:55 pm

The other day while I was having my bike serviced, I was talking with a real old timer (72 years old). I was complaining about all the idiots in cages and how they do stupid things that put us in danger. The "old timer" grabbed me with both hands by my collar and said, "We're the idiots, not them, and don't you forget it!!!"

I never thought of it that way. What do you think??

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#2 Unread post by CentralOzzy » Fri May 13, 2005 9:46 pm

Judging by the M/C video clips I've been looking at lately, I'd say he's at least half right! :D
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#3 Unread post by iwannadie » Fri May 13, 2005 9:58 pm

lets take a look at this for a minute.

cager - riding in a very large very heavy vehicle with safety belts airbags many crush zones all built for safety around them. no skill required to make the beast move other than turn key/step on pedal.

biker - out in the open on a light fast machine with no protection from the world around them save for a piece of plastic and foam in it along with some cow hides here and there at the best. very sensitive machines that require constant attention to maintane a level of controll.

then take a look at the enviorment which these two compete in which is: full of dangerous drivers in very big heavy vehicles often involving cell phones, alchoal, kids in the back screaming, looking at the map, trying to be funny and share a lane of a biker, just plain not seeing anything around them. then theres semi trucks, hazardous road condions, animals running across the roads etc. all upping the level of danager for everyone around.

compared situations can include - blown tire on the freeway in a car means you have to slow down to a stop and change it, blown tire on the bike means you likely eat the road at high speed.

-in a car being re ended at a stop light means insurance company gets involved to pay for the work, and maybe a few bruises and bumps. same situation on a bike means totalled bike, potential for serious injury to yourself. not to mention most cars dont see a bike at a stop light as opposed to an SUV.

-say your having a bad day in the car you make a rather poor judgement on a turn and hit a curb going 35mph your tire maybe be damaged and your ego as well. on the bike hitting a curb at 35mph you go over the bars fly a decent distance managing all sorts of nice injuries along the way before finding your bike most likely totaled.

we are the idiots no question and no rational way of thinking could prove other wise. its a seriously dangerous world out there. to strap your body to a machine with no thing else around for protection only to compete for road space against an SUV with an unskilled unaware all around bad driver that can take your life with the easiest of unaware lane changes that would leave them unharmed in the process.

yes we are the idiots for putting ourselfs out there amogst all the hazards on the most vullnerable vehicle rather than driving fords latest SUTank.

darwin at work? compare it to dinosaurs, they evolved to have armor to protect them against the other meat eaters. we are left behind with no protection, using only are reflexs and wits to save us amongst the other beasts.

but hey its fun to ride. :frusty:
1524montana wrote:The other day while I was having my bike serviced, I was talking with a real old timer (72 years old). I was complaining about all the idiots in cages and how they do stupid things that put us in danger. The "old timer" grabbed me with both hands by my collar and said, "We're the idiots, not them, and don't you forget it!!!"

I never thought of it that way. What do you think??

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#4 Unread post by ubarw » Sat May 14, 2005 10:56 am

Man you laid it on thick. I better go for a ride and think about what you've said...

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#5 Unread post by Telesque » Sat May 14, 2005 11:07 am

iwannadie wrote:lets take a look at this for a minute.

cager - riding in a very large very heavy vehicle with safety belts airbags many crush zones all built for safety around them. no skill required to make the beast move other than turn key/step on pedal.

biker - out in the open on a light fast machine with no protection from the world around them save for a piece of plastic and foam in it along with some cow hides here and there at the best. very sensitive machines that require constant attention to maintane a level of controll.

then take a look at the enviorment which these two compete in which is: full of dangerous drivers in very big heavy vehicles often involving cell phones, alchoal, kids in the back screaming, looking at the map, trying to be funny and share a lane of a biker, just plain not seeing anything around them. then theres semi trucks, hazardous road condions, animals running across the roads etc. all upping the level of danager for everyone around.

compared situations can include - blown tire on the freeway in a car means you have to slow down to a stop and change it, blown tire on the bike means you likely eat the road at high speed.

-in a car being re ended at a stop light means insurance company gets involved to pay for the work, and maybe a few bruises and bumps. same situation on a bike means totalled bike, potential for serious injury to yourself. not to mention most cars dont see a bike at a stop light as opposed to an SUV.

-say your having a bad day in the car you make a rather poor judgement on a turn and hit a curb going 35mph your tire maybe be damaged and your ego as well. on the bike hitting a curb at 35mph you go over the bars fly a decent distance managing all sorts of nice injuries along the way before finding your bike most likely totaled.

we are the idiots no question and no rational way of thinking could prove other wise. its a seriously dangerous world out there. to strap your body to a machine with no thing else around for protection only to compete for road space against an SUV with an unskilled unaware all around bad driver that can take your life with the easiest of unaware lane changes that would leave them unharmed in the process.

yes we are the idiots for putting ourselfs out there amogst all the hazards on the most vullnerable vehicle rather than driving fords latest SUTank.

darwin at work? compare it to dinosaurs, they evolved to have armor to protect them against the other meat eaters. we are left behind with no protection, using only are reflexs and wits to save us amongst the other beasts.

but hey its fun to ride. :frusty:
1524montana wrote:The other day while I was having my bike serviced, I was talking with a real old timer (72 years old). I was complaining about all the idiots in cages and how they do stupid things that put us in danger. The "old timer" grabbed me with both hands by my collar and said, "We're the idiots, not them, and don't you forget it!!!"

I never thought of it that way. What do you think??

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#6 Unread post by Joe Mc » Sat May 14, 2005 11:55 am

iwannadie wrote:lets take a look at this for a minute.

cager - riding in a very large very heavy vehicle with safety belts airbags many crush zones all built for safety around them. no skill required to make the beast move other than turn key/step on pedal.

biker - out in the open on a light fast machine with no protection from the world around them save for a piece of plastic and foam in it along with some cow hides here and there at the best. very sensitive machines that require constant attention to maintane a level of controll.
I think it's clear who's smarter here. :laughing:

I hate hearing people crap all over people in cars and trucks.

Don't we all drive cars too? I cetainley do and I love my car (Saab 900 turbo) as much as my bike.

There are dummies out there in cars, but there are alot of dummies on bikes too!
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#7 Unread post by High_Side » Sat May 14, 2005 2:17 pm

"So who's the biggest idiot?" Should have been a poll.... :wink: :laughing:

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#8 Unread post by Itzamna » Sun May 15, 2005 12:27 am

Joe Mc wrote:I think it's clear who's smarter here. :laughing:

Don't we all drive cars too? I cetainley do and I love my car (Saab 900 turbo) as much as my bike.
Nope, don't even own one.

There will always be idiots on both sides. To us on bikes though it seems worse, because we all know that their mistake could easily cost us our life more than ours to them. Just like someone said in another post, you wreck on a motorcycle, you never win.
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#9 Unread post by BuzZz » Sun May 15, 2005 2:07 am

Who was in the right and who was in the wrong means nothing, except to the lawyers after your road-pizza. Your accountable for your your own saftey in the end, so do all you can to ensure it. Even if it means cages get away with whatever they want. The smallest car out there will wipe you out in a blink if your in the wrong place. Gotta look out for yourself first....
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#10 Unread post by Mag7C » Sun May 15, 2005 4:53 pm

Itzamna wrote: Nope, don't even own one.
:thumbsup: Me neither!


I think it's just that the idiots on bikes don't last very long, whether it's because they die or get scared out of riding.

BuzZz's post makes sense.

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#11 Unread post by ronboskz650sr » Sun May 15, 2005 10:10 pm

Idiot is such a strong word....
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#12 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Tue May 17, 2005 8:37 am

Gives you something to think about as you are grinning ear to ear riding your motorcycle and laughing at the car drivers on a hot day. :D

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#13 Unread post by blues2cruise » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:02 am

totalmotorcycle wrote:Gives you something to think about as you are grinning ear to ear riding your motorcycle and laughing at the car drivers on a hot day. :D

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Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere. Tragically around here where I live, the idiots are the young kids who still think they are invincible and have been going out and killing themselves....no cagers involved. In the last while there have been several deaths of young men with brand new learner's permits on brand new sport bikes losing control.....What will it take to stop the carnage?
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#14 Unread post by Telesque » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:05 am

blues2cruise wrote:
totalmotorcycle wrote:Gives you something to think about as you are grinning ear to ear riding your motorcycle and laughing at the car drivers on a hot day. :D

Mike.
My car has air conditioning. My Joe Rocket jacket does not. Hmmmm....I guess I'll be hot this summer.

Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere. Tragically around here where I live, the idiots are the young kids who still think they are invincible and have been going out and killing themselves....no cagers involved. In the last while there have been several deaths of young men with brand new learner's permits on brand new sport bikes losing control.....What will it take to stop the carnage?
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#15 Unread post by FZrider » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:50 pm

1524montana wrote:The other day while I was having my bike serviced, I was talking with a real old timer (72 years old). I was complaining about all the idiots in cages and how they do stupid things that put us in danger. The "old timer" grabbed me with both hands by my collar and said, "We're the idiots, not them, and don't you forget it!!!"

I never thought of it that way. What do you think??

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#16 Unread post by DustyJacket » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:36 pm

BuzZz wrote:Who was in the right and who was in the wrong means nothing, except to the lawyers after your road-pizza. ........ Even if it means cages get away with whatever they want.....
My point exactly. Park the ego when you get on the bike.
Back off and let that car go into the lane rather than challenge it.

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#17 Unread post by blues2cruise » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:51 pm

[quote="DustyJacket"]
My point exactly. Park the ego when you get on the bike.
Back off and let that car go into the lane rather than challenge it.

quote]

That is such good advice. I met a fellow on the ferry last weekend who is lucky to be alive. Or at least uninjured. He let his ego get in the way.

He was showing me the black scrapes on his engine guards on his big BMW bike. They were tire marks from a car that tried to run him off the road.

He was explaining that the car was driving just a few feet behind him making it painfully obvious he didn't like being behind the bike. Eventually the car driver got ticked enough that he pulled up beside the guy on the BMW and shoved him with his car causing the tires to scrape on the guards. It's remarkable he didn't lose control and ride right off the road. Judging from the way he was talking, although that incident scared him, his ego is still very much intact.

I would have pulled over.
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#18 Unread post by Telesque » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 am

blues2cruise wrote:the car driver got ticked enough that he pulled up beside the guy on the BMW and shoved him with his car
This is the kind of thing that puts people in the cemetary. Cager, biker, or both. And that's regardless of whether anyone crashes.
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#19 Unread post by chickenhawk » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:03 pm

I think I'd have peed my pants LMAO :roll2:

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#20 Unread post by chickenhawk » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:06 pm

I mean about the original quote that the old guy said!

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