Men Riding "dog"

[blues2cruise]

Nice looking avatar you have there.

Are you gonna steal it?

I hadn't planned on it...but now that you mention it....

[Marx]

My guess is that this person might be a troll - viewtopic.php?t=26582&start=0&postdays= ... highlight=

Some people just come here to post topics that will get everyone's undies in a bundle so they can get off at watching us argue with each other.

Yep. I've actually seen the same topic as this posted by the same name as a first post on another forum...

Hmm, mod - could you show where this precise same topic was discussed, as I don't recall doing so elsewhere?
Anyway, why is it considered 'trolling' to make a valid point about people trying to 'seemingly' shame others into following their line of thought by claiming some superiority in their self-esteem?

That's not trolling, that's opinion... sorry if you two don't happen to like people having individual opinion, but THAT seems more trollish to me than someone expressing their opinion.

[High_Side]

My guess is that this person might be a troll - viewtopic.php?t=26582&start=0&postdays= ... highlight=

Some people just come here to post topics that will get everyone's undies in a bundle so they can get off at watching us argue with each other.

Yep. I've actually seen the same topic as this posted by the same name as a first post on another forum...

Hmm, mod - could you show where this precise same topic was discussed, as I don't recall doing so elsewhere?
Anyway, why is it considered 'trolling' to make a valid point about people trying to 'seemingly' shame others into following their line of thought by claiming some superiority in their self-esteem?

That's not trolling, that's opinion... sorry if you two don't happen to like people having individual opinion, but THAT seems more trollish to me than someone expressing their opinion.

Easy big fella. I was referring to the topic not to your post. This original thread was started by bkrchick2714, who also started the same thread on bcsportbikes.com as a first post. Maybe Loonette was refering to your post but I took it that she was referring to the thread in general.

[Loonette]

My guess is that this person might be a troll - viewtopic.php?t=26582&start=0&postdays= ... highlight=

Some people just come here to post topics that will get everyone's undies in a bundle so they can get off at watching us argue with each other.

Yep. I've actually seen the same topic as this posted by the same name as a first post on another forum...

Hmm, mod - could you show where this precise same topic was discussed, as I don't recall doing so elsewhere?
Anyway, why is it considered 'trolling' to make a valid point about people trying to 'seemingly' shame others into following their line of thought by claiming some superiority in their self-esteem?

That's not trolling, that's opinion... sorry if you two don't happen to like people having individual opinion, but THAT seems more trollish to me than someone expressing their opinion.

Easy big fella. I was referring to the topic not to your post. This original thread was started by bkrchick2714, who also started the same thread on bcsportbikes.com as a first post. Maybe Loonette was refering to your post but I took it that she was referring to the thread in general.

Yes, I quoted you, Marx, because I was agreeing with you. The troll comments were made towards bkrchick2714, who incidentally has not bothered to come back and defend herself. The second topic she started (girl on girl riders, or whatever), was wisely removed by yet another moderator. I can see how I didn't clarify that very well - sorry for the confusion.

Cheers,
Loonette

[Marx]

AHHhhhhh - my sincerest apologies for a snappy attack of paranoia on my part... Damn, well I'll just go sit in the corner with my nice Dunce cap for a while.

[High_Side]

AHHhhhhh - my sincerest apologies for a snappy attack of paranoia on my part... Damn, well I'll just go sit in the corner with my nice Dunce cap for a while.

Fer that? I wouldn't worry about it

[-Holiday]

I don't follow the logic behind those who make statments about 'security' in their 'maleness'. It's odd, do women go around (or rather, do men try shaming women into saying) about being 'secure in their feminity'? No.
It often comes across to me that guys and women who use such language are effectively trying to imply that people who do not follow their line of though must be 'insecure'. Why is a person 'insecure' just because they do not like something, or, shock - horror, don't think the same way as you?

Can someone answer this for me? Or am I to assume I'm right, it is nothing more than an attempt to shame others into towing a line?

ETA: As I said earlier, I am ok with riding pillion to a man or a woman, but it sure as heck has nothing whatsoever to do with being 'secure enough in my manliness'... it has to do with whether my trust in the driver is 'secure enough'. See the difference?

It's pretty easy really. It's an expression. An expression, like most that are not meant to be taken for its literal meaning.

To me, what it means is someone who is not really sure where and how they fit into their gender role. An example is someone who takes issue with how they will be perceived while riding behind a woman on a motorcycle. It's kinda funny to think that someone thinks they're "less" of a man for doing such a thing.

That's all I was getting at.

[Teek]

My first hubby rode behind me on my Hawk at one point, and on his own CB500 at another, I forget why, but he was like 175 pounds and I weighed 125, the bike was at least 400 pounds wet. I didn't like how sluggish and heavy it felt so I was extra careful, but didn't think much about it. I've ridden behind women a few times, and behind my current hubby til I got my own bike again. Mostly this was because there was only ONE motorcycle. Hubby has wanted to ride behind me, just in offerring to let me drive his bike, but I never wanted to because his bike was a bit big for me, and as to him up back on my dual sport, it was just too small. My GS500 would be okay, but if it was a matter of a breakdown I'd let him ride my bike and I'd ride pillon, because he is the better rider. But it has never occurred to him that it would be "unmanly".

All of us only looked at it as riding a motorcycle together, we have never thought of it any other way. It was fun, period.

Maybe being older and from a different generation we have a more mature attitude about it. We also didn't grow up in a world where everything was sexualized via extreme and inappropriate commercialism....

[Marx]

Maybe being older and from a different generation we have a more mature attitude about it. We also didn't grow up in a world where everything was sexualized via extreme and inappropriate commercialism....

Amen to that. Society's insistance on sexualizing everything and bashing 1/2 the planet's population for any and everything gets really tiresome, it's nice to see a mature character here n there through the dullness of today's climate.

[kymford]

I haven't had my husband as a pillion before, and i am not going to encourage it either he is a pain in the A when he is passenger in my car, so i think he would be the same on the back of a bike.

I think he must be similar as you high_side, likes to be the one in control, pity he isn't like that with the house work