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Rollin without a helmet is loud and windy

#1 Unread post by matthew5656 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:57 pm

I don't like it. I couldn't hear anything, and the bike sounded really harsh and very different.

Although it was much lighter checking the blind spots and keeping my head upright, i'm not sure if it's worth it. I did look cooler, and I felt a little more alive and free than I do with my dome cap on. But oh well, as much as i've been riding this summer, I'll keep the protection. Safety first children!

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#2 Unread post by NightNurse » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:01 pm

matthew5656 wrote:I don't like it. I couldn't hear anything, and the bike sounded really harsh and very different.

Although it was much lighter checking the blind spots and keeping my head upright, i'm not sure if it's worth it. I did look cooler, and I felt a little more alive and free than I do with my dome cap on. But oh well, as much as i've been riding this summer, I'll keep the protection. Safety first children!
You looked cooler? No you looked like a dumbazz with a death wish!

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#3 Unread post by MZ33 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:23 pm

You looked cooler? No you looked like a dumbazz with a death wish!
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#4 Unread post by Brackstone » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:28 pm

*Incoming Helmet Safety Law Debate*
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#5 Unread post by NightNurse » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:43 pm

Brackstone wrote:*Incoming Helmet Safety Law Debate*
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LOL! No kidding. I don't give a rats azz if people wear a helmet or not, it's really their choice. But I sure dont think it makes you look cool! Every car that passes you is shaking their head thinking "what a moron".

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#6 Unread post by matthew5656 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:04 pm

Whether we choose to wear a helmet or not, people will always drive by and mutter, "what a dumb idiot for riding as fast as I am driving with out an airbag, seatbelt or crash cage to save them!"

Or 99.8% of the time when I have a helmet strapped on, some people might drive by and say to themselves, "Wow, what a safety freak! He must really value his life. Good for him! He's so much better than all the low-lifers who ride without a helmet!"

And just for the record, people who wear helmets still manage to kill themselves on motorbikes. So if you really insist, and if ya really think about it, motorcycling is a deathwish regardless of one's decision to wear a helmet or not. Like if an 18 wheeler lost his brakes and ended up running you over waiting at a stop light, I'm not sure if a helmet would really save your life. Or any number of fatal occurrences could possibly happen to you, god forbid.

And yes, I am fully aware that a DOT approved helmet will most certainly reduce my risk of death or major head trauma, but my point is that motorcycling will always be and always has been a very dangerous activity regardless of one's safety precaution.

So you don't have to call me names, miss. It's mean and uncalled for.

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#7 Unread post by NightNurse » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:09 pm

matthew5656 wrote:Whether we choose to wear a helmet or not, people will always drive by and mutter, "what a dumb idiot for riding as fast as I am driving with out an airbag, seatbelt or crash cage to save them!"

Or 99.8% of the time when I have a helmet strapped on, some people might drive by and say to themselves, "Wow, what a safety freak! He must really value his life. Good for him! He's so much better than all the low-lifers who ride without a helmet!"

And just for the record, people who wear helmets still manage to kill themselves on motorbikes. So if you really insist, and if ya really think about it, motorcycling is a deathwish regardless of one's decision to wear a helmet or not. Like if an 18 wheeler lost his brakes and ended up running you over waiting at a stop light, I'm not sure if a helmet would really save your life. Or any number of fatal occurrences could possibly happen to you, god forbid.

And yes, I am fully aware that a DOT approved helmet will most certainly reduce my risk of death or major head trauma, but my point is that motorcycling will always be and always has been a very dangerous activity regardless of one's safety precaution.

So you don't have to call me names, miss. It's mean and uncalled for.
Oh don't be so sensitive! I know a helmet won't save a life obviously! But it sure can help if you wreck.

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#8 Unread post by HeathersWheels » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:12 pm

I like wearing a 3/4 helmet with face shield. protects the skull and keeps bugs out of my teeth. :D
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#9 Unread post by HYPERR » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:36 pm

matthew5656 wrote:motorcycling will always be and always has been a very dangerous activity regardless of one's safety precaution.
You consider motorcycling a very dangerous activity? :shock:
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#10 Unread post by captinamerica » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:14 pm

I dont like to wear a helmet, and i ussually dont. More honestly I dont wear one unless it is cold out. I think its a little harsh to consider me a dumb A**. because there are certain advantages to not wearing one. For the astute rider. such as i can hear someone bearing down on me and have escaped cetain calamity. I think the one who rides up to a light or intersection with out a plan is the dummy. or if you are ridding in the country and you dont plan for the blind idiot that is going to pull out in front of you. IT called awareness and it has saved more lives than any big brother bubble wrap safty bolognia ever has
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#11 Unread post by ichijou » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:59 pm

captinamerica wrote:I dont like to wear a helmet, and i ussually dont. More honestly I dont wear one unless it is cold out. I think its a little harsh to consider me a dumb A**. because there are certain advantages to not wearing one. For the astute rider. such as i can hear someone bearing down on me and have escaped cetain calamity. I think the one who rides up to a light or intersection with out a plan is the dummy. or if you are ridding in the country and you dont plan for the blind idiot that is going to pull out in front of you. IT called awareness and it has saved more lives than any big brother bubble wrap safty bolognia ever has
why not get one of those half helmets, i've got a decent one that doesn't cover the ears, so you're not losing any sense of sound or vision but you're still protected.

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#12 Unread post by blues2cruise » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:25 pm

matthew5656 wrote:
So you don't have to call me names, miss. It's mean and uncalled for.
I agree.
We all know better than to resort to namecalling....

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#14 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:56 pm

Well, I was just vacationing out in Denver at the World Science Fiction Convention....

The sheer number of scooters, mopeds and motorcycles was overwhelming. I mean... Really, wow.

Helmet use... well, mostly in the toilet really. There were a few, most notably a woman in a nice suit on her scooter and a number of sport bike riders.

It did look actually cool for those that weren't wearing helmets. I gotta admit. But some, I think looked a bit preternaturally old. I think the wind, sun and exposure make you age faster. I like my face looking younger than my current age, so I'll wear a helmet to be a little vain and look nicer for a longer time as long as I don't hit the aforementioned semi.

I saw three semis today - locking up their brakes. Drove my car in today though. Oh, and I don't know what was up, but there there 5 tires on the side of the road on the approach to the GWB. Semi tires. Glad they weren't in the middle of the road, driving a car or riding a bike.

And one day, riding on 1 & 9 on the way home instead of the turnpike, I passed a carb in the middle of my lane. Holy crap, saw it too late to do anything - and good thing - it wasn't in my third of the lane. Gave me a good scare though it was close enough to my front tire.

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#15 Unread post by RockBottom » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:22 am

I'm sure the helmet debate has a long history here but, since I'm new, I thought I throw in my two drachmas.

I'm a libertarian of sorts, so place great value in personal freedom. But I also believe that freedom requires responsibility. So here's where I am on the helmet thing--I think anyone who wants should be free to ride without a helmet, but also that medical insurance companies and the state should be authorized to refuse to pay the expenses for anyone who had a head injury while riding without one. No one should expect other insurance policy holders to help underwrite the costs of exercising their personal freedom. The way it is now, safe insurance policy holders pay more than the risk of their behavior and unsafe ones pay less. If someone is willing fully bear the risks and costs of riding without one themselves, they should be free to take it off.

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#16 Unread post by Brackstone » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:27 am

RockBottom wrote:I'm sure the helmet debate has a long history here but, since I'm new, I thought I throw in my two drachmas.

I'm a libertarian of sorts, so place great value in personal freedom. But I also believe that freedom requires responsibility. So here's where I am on the helmet thing--I think anyone who wants should be free to ride without a helmet, but also that medical insurance companies and the state should be authorized to refuse to pay the expenses for anyone who had a head injury while riding without one. No one should expect other insurance policy holders to help underwrite the costs of exercising their personal freedom. The way it is now, safe insurance policy holders pay more than the risk of their behavior and unsafe ones pay less. If someone is willing fully bear the risks and costs of riding without one themselves, they should be free to take it off.
This is exactly what I've always said. If you choose not to wear a helmet your insurance company and/or no taxpayer money to cover your hospital stay.
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#17 Unread post by HYPERR » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:06 am

RockBottom wrote:I'm sure the helmet debate has a long history here but, since I'm new, I thought I throw in my two drachmas.

I'm a libertarian of sorts, so place great value in personal freedom. But I also believe that freedom requires responsibility. So here's where I am on the helmet thing--I think anyone who wants should be free to ride without a helmet, but also that medical insurance companies and the state should be authorized to refuse to pay the expenses for anyone who had a head injury while riding without one. No one should expect other insurance policy holders to help underwrite the costs of exercising their personal freedom. The way it is now, safe insurance policy holders pay more than the risk of their behavior and unsafe ones pay less. If someone is willing fully bear the risks and costs of riding without one themselves, they should be free to take it off.
So the burden now shifts to the hospitals who obviously cannot refuse treatment of a half-alive unhelmeted rider. So the hopital eats unpaid medical bills and no matter how you look at it, the cost will eventually be passed along to you and me.

Anyway you look at it, an unhelmeted rider is more likely to be a burden on society than a helmeted one. There is no way around it.
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#18 Unread post by RockBottom » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:17 am

HYPERR wrote:
RockBottom wrote:I'm sure the helmet debate has a long history here but, since I'm new, I thought I throw in my two drachmas.

I'm a libertarian of sorts, so place great value in personal freedom. But I also believe that freedom requires responsibility. So here's where I am on the helmet thing--I think anyone who wants should be free to ride without a helmet, but also that medical insurance companies and the state should be authorized to refuse to pay the expenses for anyone who had a head injury while riding without one. No one should expect other insurance policy holders to help underwrite the costs of exercising their personal freedom. The way it is now, safe insurance policy holders pay more than the risk of their behavior and unsafe ones pay less. If someone is willing fully bear the risks and costs of riding without one themselves, they should be free to take it off.
So the burden now shifts to the hospitals who obviously cannot refuse treatment of a half-alive unhelmeted rider. So the hopital eats unpaid medical bills and no matter how you look at it, the cost will eventually be passed along to you and me.

Anyway you look at it, an unhelmeted rider is more likely to be a burden on society than a helmeted one. There is no way around it.
To some extent, but the hospital could then collect from the ininsured party the way they normally would--garnish wages, put a lien on property, etc.

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#19 Unread post by HYPERR » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:25 am

RockBottom wrote:
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RockBottom wrote:I'm sure the helmet debate has a long history here but, since I'm new, I thought I throw in my two drachmas.

I'm a libertarian of sorts, so place great value in personal freedom. But I also believe that freedom requires responsibility. So here's where I am on the helmet thing--I think anyone who wants should be free to ride without a helmet, but also that medical insurance companies and the state should be authorized to refuse to pay the expenses for anyone who had a head injury while riding without one. No one should expect other insurance policy holders to help underwrite the costs of exercising their personal freedom. The way it is now, safe insurance policy holders pay more than the risk of their behavior and unsafe ones pay less. If someone is willing fully bear the risks and costs of riding without one themselves, they should be free to take it off.
So the burden now shifts to the hospitals who obviously cannot refuse treatment of a half-alive unhelmeted rider. So the hopital eats unpaid medical bills and no matter how you look at it, the cost will eventually be passed along to you and me.

Anyway you look at it, an unhelmeted rider is more likely to be a burden on society than a helmeted one. There is no way around it.
To some extent, but the hospital could then collect from the ininsured party the way they normally would--garnish wages, put a lien on property, etc.
That only works if the person has a 7 figure asset and agrees to turn it over without a fight, which usually don't happen. Even if the person has a ton of assets, there are ways out like quick claiming the house to his wife or mother or whatever to prevent it from being taken away. Even if the Hospital does recover the costs, they will have spent a ton of money on lawyers and court fees.

Unfortunately the reality is, no matter how you look at it, an unhelmeted rider is more likely to be a burden on society than a helmeted one.
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#20 Unread post by Gunslinger » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:42 pm

I agree with both Rockbottom and Hyperr. I would like to add that if we enacted a law tomorrow that said no helmet no coverage then we need to extend that to other vehicles as well. No seat belts no coverage. No bicycle helmet no coverage. How many thousands of people have been treated in hospitals with severe injuries that were caused by their own stupidity by drinking and driving? Why should insurance companies (and you and me) have to pay for that? If you want to see a real cost impact leave the non-helmeted riders alone and focus on these drunks out on the road.

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