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#61 Unread post by HYPERR » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:26 pm

ChemicalTaste wrote:I wear a helmet because it looks cool.

No really.. a side effect of wearing a full faced racing helmet while riding a sport bike is that it looks cool. Like I said, its a side effect, not the primary reason I wear it.
Yeah I agree. I like helmets with cool graphics. :D
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#62 Unread post by AZRider » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:43 am

Ive read 2 pages of this drivel, and only one thing comes to mind.

If You are unwilling to cover injuries for the unhelmeted rider, then injuries caused by the helmet should not be covered either.(ie. lifetime paralysis due to broken neck).
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#63 Unread post by NewGuy » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:48 am

captinamerica wrote: because there are certain advantages to not wearing one. For the astute rider. such as i can hear someone bearing down on me and have escaped cetain calamity.
Well I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't want to wear a helmet because you don't like it, fine it's your choice, but at least be realistic/honest about the reason, rather than making up some BS about not wearing one allowing you to hear or see better and avoid trouble. That's been proven to be false.

Don't believe me? Check this out:
http://www.whohelmets.org/headlines/05- ... earing.htm

Wear what you want, but just don't lie to yourself and others about the factors affecting your choice.

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#64 Unread post by sv-wolf » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:21 pm

I wear a lid for many reasons: I guess, principally, because I would be very quickly nicked and taken to court if I didn’t. I also wear a helmet because I reckon it increases the odds of my surviving intact. Then again, a couple of my lids are quite sexy looking (I think) and I like wearing them. (In my more excitable or reflexive moods, I also get off on the image.) But mostly, these days, I wear a helmet out of habit. It never occurs to me not to.

It only takes a bit of common sense, though, to work out that the government does not force me to wear the damn thing because it is concerned with my welfare or because it wants to nanny me. That’s just plain daft. Governments reason with a calculator, not with their hearts (bleeding for humanity, I don’t think!). So, why should their attitudes to the wearing of lids be any different? They aren’t. Obviously! As far as I can see, government does not misunderstand my need not to be nannied but has its own agendas.

So, really, I reckon that's the wrong question. Legislation which enforces the wearing of helmets may be annoying to some people, but I can’t help thinking it’s pretty trivial in comparison with many other issues facing us. Personal freedom at this level? I can think of more genuine freedoms that are worth fighting for. How big a deal is it - really?

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really??????????????????????????????

#65 Unread post by captinamerica » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:21 pm

"Well I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't want to wear a helmet because you don't like it, fine it's your choice, but at least be realistic/honest about the reason, rather than making up some BS about not wearing one allowing you to hear or see better and avoid trouble. That's been proven to be false." NEW GUY
Who has proved this??????? some guys got out and tryied it both ways. and decided for you what was better. or some insurance guys. Decided to interpret statistics and create and idea that they thought was better for them. By using the word signifigant and lane change. what about the guy who sees a car joining them in the lane and needs to change lanes fast. do you really think they tried that and saw for them selves how many got flat weeded by the car in the lane on the other side. I dont hink so. They sat up on a track or parking lot some wear and watched a Guy change into painted lines. with no real hazards. NOw how many do you think sat at some red light and let some full run up on them while they talked on the cell phone. Then figured out which guy heard the car or truck fast enough to dump the clutch and nail the gas and see clearley enough to decide which way was clear.
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Re: really??????????????????????????????

#66 Unread post by Skier » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:31 pm

captinamerica wrote:"Well I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't want to wear a helmet because you don't like it, fine it's your choice, but at least be realistic/honest about the reason, rather than making up some BS about not wearing one allowing you to hear or see better and avoid trouble. That's been proven to be false." NEW GUY
Who has proved this??????? some guys got out and tryied it both ways. and decided for you what was better. or some insurance guys. Decided to interpret statistics and create and idea that they thought was better for them.
Folks with lab coats, SPL readers and devices that measure peripheral vision. They also have a bunch of letters tacked on to the back of their names.

You can't seriously think these kinds of things can't be empirically measured.
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#67 Unread post by captinamerica » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:39 pm

How do you imperically measure chaos in a lab. The same letters fall before their name as the guys who cant even decide if coffee is good or bad. Plus if you read the article they used the word signifigantly with some repetition. what exactly does that mean
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#68 Unread post by Skier » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:01 pm

captinamerica wrote:How do you imperically measure chaos in a lab. The same letters fall before their name as the guys who cant even decide if coffee is good or bad. Plus if you read the article they used the word signifigantly with some repetition. what exactly does that mean
Feel free to look up what an SPL reader is or how peripheral vision is measured.
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#69 Unread post by Misguided Missle » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:09 am

MZ33 wrote:There are some states with helmet laws. I wonder how statistics would compare with non-helmet law states, .
ABATE has been tracking this for 20-30 years. You might go visit them.

Here in washingrad, Ive been riding before there was a helmet law, after the state forced it on us, after the people said no we dont want to, and when the helmet companies and the state desided yet again to over rule what we the people wanted.

I wear foam ear plugs, a leather skull cap (WWII Style) and a half shell.

When I called up to get full coverage on my machine (none required here)
They didnt even ask me what kind, if any kind of bucket I had.

I tired to wear my wifes full face, I cant hear anything. Riding deaf is a not recomended

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#70 Unread post by Skier » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:17 am

Misguided Missle wrote:I tired to wear my wifes full face, I cant hear anything. Riding deaf is a not recomended
Funny enough, your hearing damage was probably caused from not wearing a helmet or hearing protection for many years of riding.
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#71 Unread post by NewGuy » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:39 pm

captinamerica wrote:"Well I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't want to wear a helmet because you don't like it, fine it's your choice, but at least be realistic/honest about the reason, rather than making up some BS about not wearing one allowing you to hear or see better and avoid trouble. That's been proven to be false." NEW GUY
Who has proved this???????
Well you managed to quote PART of my post, why is it you IGNORED the portion that answered your question?

Well since you chose to willfully ignore it the first time, and remain ignorant rather than educate yourself, here it is again:
They actually did testing that showed what affect wearing a helmet had on hearing and vision. Matters not that the test was on a track versus the street. They showed what the actual affects were.

However, I suspect you'll choose to ignore valid testing methods and continue to rant away emotionally rather than analyze the topic logically.

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Re: wow

#72 Unread post by NewGuy » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:46 pm

captinamerica wrote:How do you imperically measure chaos in a lab. The same letters fall before their name as the guys who cant even decide if coffee is good or bad. Plus if you read the article they used the word signifigantly with some repetition. what exactly does that mean
There is no need to "measure chaos," the BS claim being presented was that wearing a helmet made you less safe due to it's affects on hearing and seeing potential threats. They were able to actually test the affects on vision and hearing and prove those claims are not valid.

As I said, "if you don't want to wear a helmet because you don't like it, fine it's your choice, but at least be realistic/honest about the reason, rather than making up some BS about not wearing one allowing you to hear or see better and avoid trouble. That's been proven to be false."

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#73 Unread post by High_Side » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:06 pm

Two out of nine riders who have skipped their bare heads off the pavement now prefer to wear helmets. The other seven were either dead or too busy drooling to vote.

This scientific study was not imperically measured in a lab. :mrgreen:

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#74 Unread post by princeroyal268 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:55 am

Helmet is necessary while riding a bike not only for protection but also it will make you feel relaxed.

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#75 Unread post by Misguided Missle » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:37 am

princeroyal268 wrote:Helmet is necessary while riding a bike not only for protection but also it will make you feel relaxed.
Naw roll a fat one and head on down the road

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Misguided Missle wrote:I tired to wear my wifes full face, I cant hear anything. Riding deaf is a not recomended
Funny enough, your hearing damage was probably caused from not wearing a helmet or hearing protection for many years of riding.
So sorry, I have great hearing, My ears survived a war, 22 years in the military, and many many rock concerts, From Zepplin to Juda Priest, and a lot in between.

I said I CANT hear a freakin thing with a bucket over my head. I wear foam plugs under my 1/2 shell and can hear way more.

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#76 Unread post by Skier » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:35 am

Misguided Missle wrote:
princeroyal268 wrote:Helmet is necessary while riding a bike not only for protection but also it will make you feel relaxed.
Naw roll a fat one and head on down the road

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Misguided Missle wrote:I tired to wear my wifes full face, I cant hear anything. Riding deaf is a not recomended
Funny enough, your hearing damage was probably caused from not wearing a helmet or hearing protection for many years of riding.
So sorry, I have great hearing, My ears survived a war, 22 years in the military, and many many rock concerts, From Zepplin to Juda Priest, and a lot in between.

I said I CANT hear a freakin thing with a bucket over my head. I wear foam plugs under my 1/2 shell and can hear way more.
I really doubt you have great hearing after all you listed. Just a single live concert can permanently damage your hearing. The problem is the effects are cumulative and gradual, so your brain adjusts to the loss in hearing. It can only do that up to a point, though.

If you really can't hear anything with a fullface on, that's indicative of a hearing problem, not a fullface helmet problem. There's plenty of studies showing wearing earplugs, which drop noise reaching your each by magnitudes of power more than a fullface, causing zero problems with audio clues.

Wearing earplugs with a helmet is roughly equivalent to driving in a car with the windows rolled up. If you don't have a problem doing that, you shouldn't have a problem protecting your hearing from further loss by wearing earplugs with any helmet.
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#77 Unread post by Wrider » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:17 pm

I'll agree with Skier on this one. I've got very sensitive ears. I have had literally dozens and dozens of ear infections, and had 13 sets of tubes placed in my ears when I was younger. Most docs when they look at my ears are utterly shocked at how scarred my eardrums are. I also have some of the best hearing out there. I have a full range of hearing, tested, from 20 Hz to 20 KHz.
Wearing foam earplugs does lower noise more than a full-face helmet. I've tried riding with both, and I can hear more in my Scorpion Exo 400 than I can with rolled up windows in the car. I would have it more equivalent to having the windows all half-down.
As far as anything with an aftermarket exhaust, I can deal with anything up to about Akrapovic levels, after that, like Two Bros, then I'll put earplugs in underneath my helmet if my riding buddies have that kind of exhaust.
But yeah, overall, Skier has this one, if you can't hear with a full-face on better than with foam ear plugs you've got some sort of hearing problem and need to be checked out.
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#78 Unread post by Johnj » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:24 pm

High_Side wrote:Two out of nine riders who have skipped their bare heads off the pavement now prefer to wear helmets. The other seven were either dead or too busy drooling to vote.

This scientific study was not imperically measured in a lab.
As one of the two I have to agree.
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#79 Unread post by SBK15 » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:35 pm

I guess i cant say anything about this, Tennessee has a Helmet law and we HAVE to wear them. But when i went down for the first time a year ago, i was slammed right on my side, and my helmet wasnt even scratched. So your body tries its hardest to keep your head up. I'd only not wear a helmet if i was on a back road. for turnpike and 35+ MPH i would deff. wear a helmet
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