Honda Changes up Line up - Adds at least 2 New Bikes

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#1 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:12 pm

So, in my journeys checking out motorcycles I found that Honda tossed up its line-up a bit.

1) They changed Cruiser/Standard to Cruiser/Crossover - they dropped several models and added the DN-01 - a CVT transmission scooter-like motorcycle which can run the transmission as a manual or automatic. It is included under the 'standard' segment with the Nighthawk. (It is horribly expensive for what you get though...)

2) Under sport - the 600 and the liter bike now have ABS versions. A new bike was added - CRF230M. 223cc engine - looks more like a dual sport than a sport bike. Relatively low price$ 4749, but still more expensive than the Ninja 250 by close enough to 1,000 for me to seriously question if they'll gather a lot of riders to the bike. It is only $200 more I think than the off-road version of the bike. Seat height might be a little high for some beginners looking at this bike at over 31 inches.

Still, interesting anyway.

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#2 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:22 pm

Hmmm I take that back about the DN-01.

It does have computer controlled FI, and ABS and shaft drive and a decent sized motor. It might not be super overpriced.

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#3 Unread post by jstark47 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:45 pm

DN-01 is overpriced. I can get a standard (non-ABS) ST1300 for the same money! But the pricing problem is typical for Honda - why their USA market share continues to erode, IMO.

p.s. It's fugly, too!!!! :twisted:
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#4 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:02 pm

Well, I was being nice by not talking about its looks... :laughing:

It may be tilted toward the people with excess money getting in to motorcycling that can't stand getting a Rebel market and don't want to die on a 600cc superbike?

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#5 Unread post by HYPERR » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:24 pm

RhadamYgg wrote:

It may be tilted toward the people with excess money getting in to motorcycling that can't stand getting a Rebel market and don't want to die on a 600cc superbike?
That's the target market for Harley Davidson isn't it?
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#6 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:59 pm

oh, that's just so wrong. :)

Pricewise, though, you can get a fully outfitted F 800 ST from BWM with ABS and stuff, I think for less money than this crossover bike. There's something wrong about that, too.

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#7 Unread post by Thumper » Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:50 pm

Hey now...no taking potshots at the people to whom the DN-01 is a thing of beauty. I'd buy one in a heart beat if it were a little less expensive and if I hadn't bought an MP3 last month.

Sadly, with that price, I can see it vanishing from the US market in a couple of years.

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#8 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:08 am

Are they selling the new Hornet in the US?

Kawasaki's got the ER-6n, Suzuki's possibly launching the Gladius, Yamaha's still got the FZ6, seems like manufacturers are more willing to cater to people who don't want a cruiser or sportbike, or sport tourer, or whatever. Some of use just want to ride a motorcycle.
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#9 Unread post by High_Side » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:18 am

No new VFR.

No dealer in my city of over 1 million people (there used to be 4 dealers here).

And then the only new models are a model so-overpriced, underpowered, ugly and full of gadgets it's destined to fail and a 230cc playbike?

Perhaps Honda is being shrewd in getting out of the motorcycle market as the world economy is tanking. For whatever reason, they have decided not to try to sell bikes to enthusiasts anymore. Where the hell could I buy one anyway?

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#10 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:43 am

I never thought I'd say this... but "fudge" honda. New models my "O Ring". Thanks for the weak lineup honda, thanks a lot. Even Yamaha has a better lineup.
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Re: Honda Changes up Line up - Adds at least 2 New Bikes

#11 Unread post by paul246 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:56 am

RhadamYgg wrote: A new bike was added - CRF230M. 223cc engine - looks more like a dual sport than a sport bike.

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#12 Unread post by DieMonkeys » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:12 am

Thumper wrote:Hey now...no taking potshots at the people to whom the DN-01 is a thing of beauty. I'd buy one in a heart beat if it were a little less expensive and if I hadn't bought an MP3 last month.

Sadly, with that price, I can see it vanishing from the US market in a couple of years.
You mean like the Triumph "Bison"? AKA Vision?

Grey Thumper, Kawasaki also has the Versys, which is based off the ER-6n.
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#13 Unread post by High_Side » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:03 am

DieMonkeys wrote: You mean like the Triumph "Bison"? AKA Vision?
You mean the VICTORY Vision????

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#14 Unread post by jstark47 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:31 am

Grey Thumper wrote:Are they selling the new Hornet in the US?

........seems like manufacturers are more willing to cater to people who don't want a cruiser or sportbike, or sport tourer, or whatever. Some of use just want to ride a motorcycle.
Not anymore. Honda's entire USA 2009 street lineup consists of:
  • cruisers at 250, 750, 1300, and 1800 cc.
    a 650cc dual sport, and a 230cc bike in dual sport and supermoto models
    the Goldwing and the ST1300
    race replicas at 600 and 1000 cc.
    an antique :mrgreen: (Nighthawk 250)
    the Gen 6 VFR.......still... :frusty:
    an abomination (DN-01) :puke:
No Hornet. No standards at all (except that antique....). No adventure tourers, no naked sportbikes, etc.

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#15 Unread post by DieMonkeys » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:51 am

High_Side wrote:
DieMonkeys wrote: You mean like the Triumph "Bison"? AKA Vision?
You mean the VICTORY Vision????
Yeah, what you said. I forgot, Triumph makes cool bikes.
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#16 Unread post by blues2cruise » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:50 am

I kinda like it.... however the Youtube Launch video is stupid....

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h ... DG][DN-01]

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#17 Unread post by blues2cruise » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:06 am

I could not find the price on the DN-01....how much is it?
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#18 Unread post by DieMonkeys » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:14 am

blues2cruise wrote:I could not find the price on the DN-01....how much is it?
In US $15,000.
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#19 Unread post by jstark47 » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:34 pm

Mrs. and I were at a Honda dealership this afternoon (no need to name names). I asked the salesman how many DN-01's he expected to sell? "None." He said they might get one in as a curiousity - it will draw in shoppers to gawk at it - but no one will buy. It's way overpriced for what it is.

He's also quite disgusted at Honda's thinned-down product line. Hard to make money marketing a franchise without products.....
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#20 Unread post by dr_bar » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:59 pm

jstark47 wrote:DN-01 is overpriced. I can get a standard (non-ABS) ST1300 for the same money! But the pricing problem is typical for Honda - why their USA market share continues to erode, IMO.

p.s. It's fugly, too!!!! :twisted:
After looking at pictures of it... I think I'm agreeing with you on the fugly issue...
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