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#21 Unread post by Skier » Thu May 21, 2009 10:03 pm

mazer wrote:congrats to your sis and your friend...practice, practice, practice makes us all better riders.
My state's sister program has little to nothing to do with my sister. ;)
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#22 Unread post by Lion_Lady » Fri May 22, 2009 8:32 am

BuzZz wrote:When your number is up, it is up and there ain't nothing you can do about it. :twisted:
I hate this "logic." I see that you wear full gear, so I'm guessinig that you don't take this too seriously, BuzZz.

I hear too many riders (any # of riders using this is too many) use this "reasoning" as the excuse not to bother with gear. I'm dying to respond the next time I hear that statement, "So. If my "number" ISN'T up, I can just lay down in traffic, and nothing will happen?"

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#23 Unread post by sapaul » Fri May 22, 2009 9:15 am

Hi all, picked up on this one becasue it is very close to my heart. We also have an increasing fatality rate, not just bikes but we are more vunurable.

In SA we started the THINK BIKE movement and we have had great success and we would love to get this going internationally as well.

go to www.thinkbike.co.za

In short we have acheived a good deal towards road safety. 4 years ago you never saw a rider here with a high viz vest, now we have thousands. ATGATT is everywhere and we have programs like TITTS, (dont laugh, got your attention yeah) Take It To The Schools.

yours truly started a marshals program that we now assist cyclists on their rides and we have captured all of the business for the major cycle races. Thus helping to fund the campaign. We have support services, a shop, media, training, a 15 man committee now. All in 4 short years. Ironically our chairman was killed last year as a bus made a u-turn without warning.

Saying we cant do anything about it is bull, you can, if you want to. We have and we believe we save lives.

It is sad to see this as a world wide trend and if there is anything at all that we can help or assist you guy's with, we will. Visit the web site, have a read, read our forum.

I was a bit lost befoe Think Bike, see 1000 posts haha, but I now have a home with a common cause. No reason why you can't do the same.
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#24 Unread post by Nalian » Fri May 22, 2009 10:34 pm

Almost all the new riders that park at the motorcycle lot at work are under-geared. It drives me crazy, but there's not much I can do about it. My buddy who just started riding has everything except riding pants - I just can't convince him to buy a pair yet. I'm hoping the summer heat will convince him to buy mesh pants so he can wear shorts to work. Who knows, though.

For me, I'm just making sure I always gear up, wear reflective gear, and watch for the crazy people. For commuting I try to pick the easiest roads to deal with that have the least amounts of folks who can turn into me. It helps a lot I find here in Boston - but our drivers are known to be a bit bonkers no matter what.

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#25 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Sat May 23, 2009 12:31 am

Nalian wrote:Almost all the new riders that park at the motorcycle lot at work are under-geared. It drives me crazy, but there's not much I can do about it. My buddy who just started riding has everything except riding pants - I just can't convince him to buy a pair yet. I'm hoping the summer heat will convince him to buy mesh pants so he can wear shorts to work. Who knows, though.

For me, I'm just making sure I always gear up, wear reflective gear, and watch for the crazy people. For commuting I try to pick the easiest roads to deal with that have the least amounts of folks who can turn into me. It helps a lot I find here in Boston - but our drivers are known to be a bit bonkers no matter what.
I don't know man. I bought a set of mesh pants (very cheap, so maybe not representative) and I had zero confidence in them. I ended up throwing them out - after purchasing some hocky like pads to go with them... It was too much work.

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#26 Unread post by BuzZz » Sat May 23, 2009 9:59 am

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BuzZz wrote:When your number is up, it is up and there ain't nothing you can do about it. :twisted:
I hate this "logic." I see that you wear full gear, so I'm guessinig that you don't take this too seriously, BuzZz.

I hear too many riders (any # of riders using this is too many) use this "reasoning" as the excuse not to bother with gear. I'm dying to respond the next time I hear that statement, "So. If my "number" ISN'T up, I can just lay down in traffic, and nothing will happen?"

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Actually, I absolutely believe it. But I don't see it as a reason to not gear-up. If it's time for Buzz to buzz-off, it's time, gear or not. But if it isn't time, then I view gear as pro-active pain minimization. And since I don't know when the big moment will actually come, I foolishly assume it won't be today, and the gear is there to save me some ouch time. :mrgreen:
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#27 Unread post by Nalian » Sat May 23, 2009 10:50 am

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Nalian wrote:Almost all the new riders that park at the motorcycle lot at work are under-geared. It drives me crazy, but there's not much I can do about it. My buddy who just started riding has everything except riding pants - I just can't convince him to buy a pair yet. I'm hoping the summer heat will convince him to buy mesh pants so he can wear shorts to work. Who knows, though.

For me, I'm just making sure I always gear up, wear reflective gear, and watch for the crazy people. For commuting I try to pick the easiest roads to deal with that have the least amounts of folks who can turn into me. It helps a lot I find here in Boston - but our drivers are known to be a bit bonkers no matter what.
I don't know man. I bought a set of mesh pants (very cheap, so maybe not representative) and I had zero confidence in them. I ended up throwing them out - after purchasing some hocky like pads to go with them... It was too much work.

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That's too bad. I know 3 folks who have gone down in mesh gear - all walked away from it with very few scratches. One of them slid quite a ways down the asphault and had very little roadrash to show for it. Sore for two days then back to up and around. Not bad for t-shirt and shorts under mesh gear, IMHO. Jeans never would have held up that well.

FWIW these are just joe rocket phoenix pants. Not cheap, but not very expensive either.

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#28 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Sat May 23, 2009 7:31 pm

Nalian wrote:
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Nalian wrote:Almost all the new riders that park at the motorcycle lot at work are under-geared. It drives me crazy, but there's not much I can do about it. My buddy who just started riding has everything except riding pants - I just can't convince him to buy a pair yet. I'm hoping the summer heat will convince him to buy mesh pants so he can wear shorts to work. Who knows, though.

For me, I'm just making sure I always gear up, wear reflective gear, and watch for the crazy people. For commuting I try to pick the easiest roads to deal with that have the least amounts of folks who can turn into me. It helps a lot I find here in Boston - but our drivers are known to be a bit bonkers no matter what.
I don't know man. I bought a set of mesh pants (very cheap, so maybe not representative) and I had zero confidence in them. I ended up throwing them out - after purchasing some hocky like pads to go with them... It was too much work.

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That's too bad. I know 3 folks who have gone down in mesh gear - all walked away from it with very few scratches. One of them slid quite a ways down the asphault and had very little roadrash to show for it. Sore for two days then back to up and around. Not bad for t-shirt and shorts under mesh gear, IMHO. Jeans never would have held up that well.

FWIW these are just joe rocket phoenix pants. Not cheap, but not very expensive either.
hmm, probably an instance of me picking up $25 super extra low-cost pants that really didn't meet the specs of what I'd need from pants.

I'll check those out - because I'll need some lighter gear in the depths of summer.

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#29 Unread post by kawgurl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:56 am

Another death on the Calgary streets last night - the radio announcement went something like this: "rider on a sport bike doing 200 km/hr on Deefoot Trail (our main freeway/thoroughfare) loses control and rear ends vehicle"...

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#30 Unread post by Brackstone » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:51 am

I have two friends who want to ride motorcycles.

One will wear jeans but not special jeans even if I bought them for her.
The other won't wear anything other than maybe fingerless gloves and sunglasses and a brain bucket.

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#31 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:09 pm

kawgurl wrote:Another death on the Calgary streets last night - the radio announcement went something like this: "rider on a sport bike doing 200 km/hr on Deefoot Trail (our main freeway/thoroughfare) loses control and rear ends vehicle"...

:frusty:
I have a bunch of relatives in that area. It always amazed me how well planned out that city was, but all the streets were named trails!

That sucks about the biker. I wish there was a way to exclude this from the fatality statistics - or have it in a full statistic and then a separated statistic so we can have a real idea of what our risks are when riding - if we do not ride on local streets and hyper velocities.

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#32 Unread post by havegunjoe » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:57 pm

We just last night had another biker go down. He hit a deer, flew over his bars and got hit by the car behind him. I don’t know how many that makes for MN this year but I had heard the rate was up.
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#33 Unread post by High_Side » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:36 pm

kawgurl wrote:Another death on the Calgary streets last night - the radio announcement went something like this: "rider on a sport bike doing 200 km/hr on Deefoot Trail (our main freeway/thoroughfare) loses control and rear ends vehicle"...

:frusty:
I'm 39 years old and still get the phone calls from my mother to see if it was me......

They also said that the guy that he was racing took off, choosing to save his own skin rather than help someone who was dying. Bummer.

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#34 Unread post by ceemes » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:12 pm

Last week after picking up my new fishing license, a young lad pulled up beside me on a Ninja 250, he was wearing an expensive Shoei brain bucket, some nice gloves, t-shirt, shorts and trainers....oh yeah, and a full torso amoured vest, something like this:
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#35 Unread post by jaskc78 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:51 pm

yeah, i see a lot of the shorts/t-shirt with vest armor around here in tucson, too. sometimes with a helmet but most times not.
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#36 Unread post by kawgurl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:23 pm

I'm 39 years old and still get the phone calls from my mother to see if it was me......

They also said that the guy that he was racing took off, choosing to save his own skin rather than help someone who was dying. Bummer.[/quote]


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#37 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:56 pm

ceemes wrote:Last week after picking up my new fishing license, a young lad pulled up beside me on a Ninja 250, he was wearing an expensive Shoei brain bucket, some nice gloves, t-shirt, shorts and trainers....oh yeah, and a full torso amoured vest, something like this:
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.......I'd say he was half way there.
I like the armor... As a supplemental for under a jacket - to give better chest and back protection.

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#38 Unread post by Rodboc » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:54 pm

RockBottom wrote:I don't know about an increase but I got a little shiver this evening as I went through an intersection that I cross several times a week since a biker was killed there on Sunday. He was rear ended by a teenager while turning. I'll bet my house she was on her cell phone.
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#39 Unread post by Ryethil » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:29 pm

I have a professional interest in this thread...

Yes, we have the ususal kid/sportbike problem. I guess it must be nice being immortal. :?

But the biggest rise has been in middle aged men trying to relive their youth by riding a motorcycle. Most are new re-starters who may have rode a lot when they were younger. But now they're trying to redevelope old skills and haven't gotten that far yet.

The second group are scooter riders trying to save money on gas. They get little of no training and wear at best a helmet. They don't accelerate fast enough to get out of trouble and get involved with cages all too much. The problem may not be in the hands of the scooter rider. Traffic has doubled in the last 2 years and continues to climb. The drivers seem less observant and have no respect for the speed limit.

Today though just one kid in a parking lot who dropped his motorcycle on himself. No tragedy, just kissed his bobos and made them all better. :laughing:
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#40 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:38 pm

I have confirmed that a fatality this past weekend was a cousin of one of the guys I works with wife. He leaves behind two young children.

The circumstances I have so far is this:

He was riding with two other riders in a turn. He either saw something or tried to avoid something mid-turn and lost control of his motorcycle.

I have no idea of high-side or low side. Apparently there was a fixed object involved. He was wearing a helmet (not known if it was a real helmet or a plastic dinner plate). He died of internal injuries.

He is described as a veteran rider. Other than the helmet I don't know about any of the other gear.

My friend indicates we may not know exactly what happened. My best guess is that he didn't like something about the turn and laid in some braking mid-turn.

Of course, today (he died Saturday, wake/funeral were Monday/Tuesday) my friend returned to work and probably came straight to my office indicating that I should sell my bike in the next year.

It has made me want to write something with the title of "Life, Death and the Risk and Benefits of Riding Motorcycles".

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