Dream Bike Harley vs V Star The choice is yours.

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Dream Bike Harley vs V Star The choice is yours.

#1 Unread post by Mike4139 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:53 pm

Here recently I have been getting a rash of krap from the guys that I work with about my Motorcycle. I can handle it but sometimes it can get under your skin. That’s probably why they are always bringing it up. Just to see if they can push my buttons. These guys are not under my direct authority and I am sure that they are happy that there not. Because I would be kicked back under my umbrella with a cool drink and watching them bust rust on the back deck if they were. 3 ride Harley’s 1 doesn’t ride at all. But he wears all the Harley apparel. I get the whole Harley thing. I understand it. Buy American be proud, Buy the best burn the rest. Etc, etc. I don’t know where all the hate and discontent comes from. But I understand.
I did a background check when I was told that Harley’s were only 78% American Made and the rest is made in Japan and China. I was kind of taken back when I found that out. But that’s beside the point. Harley Davidson is this best quality Motorcycle out there. The fit and finished quality can’t be beat. I know that, and anybody that knows motorcycles knows that. Those who say different has never really been up close and personal with a Harley. The point I am trying to make is, people make choices in every day life. A lot of choices are made by factors that contribute to the outcome of the choice. When I bought my bike factors played a huge roll. Factors such as, cost and reliability, New or used? How much can I afford? Size. American or foreign made? That’s just the factors on the bike side. Then there where personal factors that also weighed in. How much will it affect my family? Will it cause my family to do with out? I struggled long and hard balancing everything out before I made my decision. When you have a fairly large family being selfish can cause a major riff. Do you sacrifice your families well being for your personal pleasures? You have to balance out what you want verses what is practical. I know I have been told that you can have a Harley financed for 8 years. That’s cool for some. But it wouldn’t work. Buying used just didn’t appeal to me. It would have had to been really used in order for it to even come close. So when all the weighing and balancing was in, my choices were very slim. A V Star Classic that closely resembled the bike I really wanted, a Softail Deluxe. Or I could have gone with the 883. I’m a pretty big fellow, so the choice got even more narrow. I always had a motorcycle of some sort before I got married. You give up lot when you decide to take the plunge. No regrets, that’s just the way it is. But the bike is a me thing not a me and the wife thing. She hates motorcycles. That’s sort of strange since she rode with me before we got married. So anyway 20 years and 4 kids later I finally got to get back out on the road. I didn’t realize until after I was on the road just how much I missed it. It was great, the peace you can only get on the open road I once knew was finally back. I really don’t think the brand or style of a bike has anything to do with that feeling. So that’s how I came to buy my 04 V Star Classic. Trading up? Still not in the cards, but maybe in a few more years.

Behind every bike there is a story. Just because it’s not American made does not make the owner a traitor to his or her country. If that were the case then Harley riders would be just as guilty. Not as much guilty but still guilty to a certain extent. Just because it’s not the best, does not mean the bike is complete junk. Just like every Harley rider is not a Rich Urban Biker or an OMG member, some are just making it happen. There are life situations that dictate the outcome of every person’s decision making. So just because you see a rider on a different brand bike doesn’t mean that is the bike he planed to get. It might mean that he would rather be out on the road with the wind in his face, instead of being at home wearing his Motorcycle shirt and due Rag and saying one of these days, one of these days and never really knowing if that day will come. It’s their choice to stay home and dream of that day. But while their home dreaming I will be making memories and new friends and seeing things that was once in my dreams to. Yes I still have dreams of owning my dream bike. Softail Deluxe 2 tone blue and white. Long straight pipes and wide white wall tires. Lots and lots of chrome. But I know my V Star Classic will be the closes thing that I will have until life says otherwise. Yes my bike is a Harley want to be, that I will never deny. But I believe there was someone that once said
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Live to Ride or Ride to Live either way, just ride. What ever it may be.

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#2 Unread post by xsyamahadg » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:31 pm

This summer makes it 53 years that I have been riding motorcycles, and I can testify that the Harley vs non American made motorcycles debate has been going on since the days when bikes like Triumph, BSA and Norton were Harley's biggest competitors. Nothing has changed except the players, now it's Harley against Japanese and Euro trash.

I say if you enjoy riding, then there is nothing to debate...just get out there and ride !
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#3 Unread post by Johnj » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:21 am

Ha ha, I hear the same kind of cr*p at work, from the same three or four. My own brother does it to me also.

Always tell them that their bikes are ok with you.

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#4 Unread post by blues2cruise » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:52 am

Nothing wrong with a V-Star Classic. I have a 2 tone blue one. :mrgreen: If you enjoy riding what you have, who cares what brand name is on it?
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#5 Unread post by Amdonim » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:42 am

My Shadow was made in Ohio.

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#6 Unread post by xsyamahadg » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:29 am

+1 on what blues2cruise said. Here is what I ride....an 1100 Yamaha V-Star silverado:

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I love the bike, it's every thing I wanted in a cruiser.
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#7 Unread post by Social Distortion » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:59 pm

i had a V Star 650 classic that I loved and currently havea Triumph thruxton, which i love.
put me on any bike and i'll probably love it and i guess thats my point..
as long as the bike makes you happy, thats what counts...
same in the world of cars, but I dont see everyone rushing to buy the most expensive car out there, so why do we do that w/ motorcycles???

Harleys are nice bikes.
If i had $15000 plus tax title and lice, and prep fees and destination, Id buy a Harley OR might buy another bike that meets my current riding needs.
Dont get pressured into one bike or another- its not gonna be your last bike ever...
if you're a biker, many guys have told me theyve gone through several bikes....so get what you want, make sure you can make the payments and experiment...
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#8 Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:40 am

Just to clarify, a "made in America" tag can only be applied to something that is 100% manufactured AND assembled in America. At present, in the motorcycle industry the Victory is the only brand that can claim that title (along with all the custom bike and chopper manufacturers). The rest of them - including Harley - are "assembled in America" using offshore content.
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#9 Unread post by dr_bar » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:06 am

Gummiente wrote:Just to clarify, a "made in America" tag can only be applied to something that is 100% manufactured AND assembled in America. At present, in the motorcycle industry the Victory is the only brand that can claim that title (along with all the custom bike and chopper manufacturers). The rest of them - including Harley - are "assembled in America" using offshore content.

A good point, and a couple of years ago I was compelled to snap a photo of a parcel going through the mail...


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#10 Unread post by king robb » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:50 am

I get the same ration of poo from three guys at work that ride VTX's. :laughing:

Especially since I am currently off the road...man the abuse is thick.
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#11 Unread post by XB08 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:05 pm

Who care what anyone thinks, If you like your bike that cool. I had amny different makes of bikes and I could have them all again there is only one I wouldn't want.

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#12 Unread post by dr_bar » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:23 pm

Okay, it's been pointed out to me that maybe that picture of the label isn't mine. I'll have to admit that in fact Gummi is right and the picture I had taken must be on my computer at home. It is apparent after looking at my file, that there is no data as to when it was taken or the camera used. I also noticed now that I looked closer at the picture, the parcel is going through UPS not the postal service.
Sorry for any misrepresentation... :oops:


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#13 Unread post by zeligman » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:17 pm

i shopped for two months - kept going back to a picture i saw of one particular bike -

i needed used, a little rough around the edges *im a new rider and didn't want to kick myself when i did something stupid* and affordable (as cheap as possible).

I actually was surprised at the bike i found - see my signature. an 02 suz volusia vl800 - i LOVE LOVE LOVE it.

i still look at other bikes of course, they are all beautiful in one way or another- but im utterly satisfied with mine.

i look forward to many years of enjoyment on it :)

I got what i needed - and you know what? it turned out to be what i wanted too - take that rolling stones! :)

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#14 Unread post by IcyHound » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:37 am

I have never pictured harley as the be all and end all of motorcycles. Some people like them. A lot of people do *not* like them. A lot of people do not even like cruisers at all and would never consider one.

Just becuase your co-workers are ignorant parrots does not mean you have to be irritated by them.

Do they even ride their bikes or just leave them in the garage?
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Re: Dream Bike Harley vs V Star The choice is yours.

#15 Unread post by flynrider » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:35 pm

Mike4139 wrote: Harley Davidson is this best quality Motorcycle out there. The fit and finished quality can’t be beat. I know that, and anybody that knows motorcycles knows that. Those who say different has never really been up close and personal with a Harley.
Really? Statements like that make me think that perhaps your coworkers are getting to you. You're beginning to sound like them.

Now, I've only been riding for 30 years and I've only owned two Harleys in that time, so maybe I'm still a clueless noob, but I wouldn't agree that Harley is the ultimate in motorcycling. For some people they are. Others, like me, think they make a good bike, but they're not necessarily the best fit for my purposes.
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#16 Unread post by havegunjoe » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:24 pm

Cost is a major point. My V Star is bought and paid for. Most Harley riders are paying for years on their bike and all the accessories they feel they need to with them. Part of American’s problem is that a lot of people buy what they want not what they can afford. I don’t and you are wise in doing the same.
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#17 Unread post by Gummiente » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:26 pm

havegunjoe wrote:Cost is a major point. My V Star is bought and paid for. Most Harley riders are paying for years on their bike and all the accessories they feel they need to with them.
And all the Gold Wing and BMW owners pay cash up front for their new bikes, do they?

Give your head a shake. :roll:
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#18 Unread post by koji52 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:33 pm

havegunjoe wrote:Cost is a major point. My V Star is bought and paid for. Most Harley riders are paying for years on their bike and all the accessories they feel they need to with them. Part of American’s problem is that a lot of people buy what they want not what they can afford. I don’t and you are wise in doing the same.
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#19 Unread post by Wrider » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:58 pm

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havegunjoe wrote:Cost is a major point. My V Star is bought and paid for. Most Harley riders are paying for years on their bike and all the accessories they feel they need to with them.
And all the Gold Wing and BMW owners pay cash up front for their new bikes, do they?

Give your head a shake. :roll:
He did say MOST in there. And yes GWs are very expensive, but are basically cars minus two wheels and a roof.

Gummi there's no reason to take everything personally when it comes to someone mentioning a negative point of an HD. I don't take it personally when someone points out the negative points of a Suzuki or Yamaha, and I'm even willing to point some out. (Katana carbs are garbage.)

The point that havegunjoe was making was that it was cheaper for him to buy a stock V-Star and leave it that way than it is for a good portion of HD buyers who tend to either go solid black or solid chrome. To each their own, his opinion is just as valid as yours is as mine is.
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#20 Unread post by Superfly3176 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:27 am

Wrider wrote:
Gummiente wrote:
havegunjoe wrote:Cost is a major point. My V Star is bought and paid for. Most Harley riders are paying for years on their bike and all the accessories they feel they need to with them.
And all the Gold Wing and BMW owners pay cash up front for their new bikes, do they?

Give your head a shake. :roll:
He did say MOST in there. And yes GWs are very expensive, but are basically cars minus two wheels and a roof.

Gummi there's no reason to take everything personally when it comes to someone mentioning a negative point of an HD. I don't take it personally when someone points out the negative points of a Suzuki or Yamaha, and I'm even willing to point some out. (Katana carbs are garbage.)

The point that havegunjoe was making was that it was cheaper for him to buy a stock V-Star and leave it that way than it is for a good portion of HD buyers who tend to either go solid black or solid chrome. To each their own, his opinion is just as valid as yours is as mine is.
TBH, it was a pretty dumb thing to say. I could sit here and say "More people go into debt buying pre-owned foreign autos then pre-owned american." It doesn't make much sense. What you do with your money is your own business, and harleys really aren't that much more expensive then imports.

You can leave a harley stock as well, that's your option. Most owners don't, most people buy a harley and want lots of chrome, want loud exhausts etc. I'll just assume from here on out that every import bike owner just likes to leave their bikes stock and every harley owner likes addons. Makes sense, right?

Final point is the original argument is fail. I don't think gummi is mad at all just stating the facts.

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