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#1 Unread post by sapaul » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:40 am

Bad day yesterday,

I use the scoot to go to the gym and on my way back I came across an accident scene. Cops were there, area taped off, EMS on site.

I know some of the cops from our local station and waited a little while for them to come and talk to me.

There was a BMW 650 CS scattered all over the road and the rider lying under a blanket. A police car was close by with damage to the left hand side.

As I stood there, my wife came rushing up with tears in her eyes. Our neighbor who was on his way to work saw the accident scene, called his wife, who knocked on our door and told my wife that it was me. She then rushed to the scene.

You can imagine what a shock she got, then the relief that it was not me and then the shock of seeing a fellow rider down. It was a huge emotional roller coaster for both of us and we can only imagine what the riders family will have to go through.

I have many conflicting stories as to how the accident occurred, the end result being that a rider lost his life.

I hope his family can find the strength to get through this.

RIP rider.
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#2 Unread post by jstark47 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:57 pm

Maybe it's my imagination, but it seems the level of motorcycle accidents and fatalities has been unusually high in the USA this season. Maybe I'm just paying more attention to these news items than I used to.

Certainly automobile drivers around here have reached new heights in their urgency to arrive everywhere two seconds sooner (!!!) combined with new lows in their skill and discipline behind the wheel.
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#3 Unread post by bandit600 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:14 pm

I suspect the increasing number of doohickies to play with (cell phones, Blackberries, iPods...) is contributing to the overall rise of crappy drivers. I get so mad when I'm on the freeway and I'm not even exaggerating 50% of people have some sort of device that they are either using or fiddling with.

It doesn't even have to be electronic!! I saw a guy on Rt 66 going into DC the other day in traffic reading a newspaper. :frusty:

It's always hard to hear of another rider going down for good. Thoughts and prayers going out to the family...
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#4 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:02 pm

sapaul is over in South Africa, but over here the story isn't much different.

I feel bad for the guy even more than the usual fatality - or his family anyway. I've heard of accidents here in the Linden, NJ area - where a person hit a judges car that pulled out of his driveway not looking - and no where near did the fault go toward the judge.

More than likely they will say the biker was at fault - even though from the description it seems like a traditional left turner accident with the bike as the 'striking' vehicle.

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#5 Unread post by green meenie » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:08 pm

R.I.P. to the rider and condolences to the family. Always sad to hear.

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#6 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:10 pm

green meenie wrote:R.I.P. to the rider and condolences to the family. Always sad to hear.
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#7 Unread post by BuzZz » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:44 pm

That really SUCKS that The Goose was called and showed up expecting to see you laying there. That has to cause some tenseness around the house.

Glad it wasn't you, Paul. And sorry for the guy who did die that day. But more glad it wasn't you....
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#8 Unread post by Gunslinger » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:54 pm

I hate hearing stories like this one. No one deserves to go out like that regardless of who was at fault. It's a reminder to me to always stay vigilant on the road. Better to be in the wrong and alive than be right and dead.

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#9 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:20 pm

Gunslinger wrote:I hate hearing stories like this one. No one deserves to go out like that regardless of who was at fault. It's a reminder to me to always stay vigilant on the road. Better to be in the wrong and alive than be right and dead.
I need to repeat this to myself more often.
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#10 Unread post by JC Viper » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:15 pm

Honestly in order to escape these impatient asssclowns in their cars you have to ride a bit aggressively then these pundits go on about how bikers are aggressive and causing roads to be dangerous.

Now cars are coming equipped to compensate for driver stupidity such as lane drift warning, or blind spot warnings since no one does head checks anymore. This country is becoming fat lazy and stupid for a reason.
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#11 Unread post by shalihe74 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:07 am

bandit600 wrote:I suspect the increasing number of doohickies to play with (cell phones, Blackberries, iPods...) is contributing to the overall rise of crappy drivers. I get so mad when I'm on the freeway and I'm not even exaggerating 50% of people have some sort of device that they are either using or fiddling with.

It doesn't even have to be electronic!! I saw a guy on Rt 66 going into DC the other day in traffic reading a newspaper. :frusty:

It's always hard to hear of another rider going down for good. Thoughts and prayers going out to the family...
Sadly, it isn't always the cager at fault. As an MSF instructor, I can honestly say I've seen a decrease in the caliber of our students over the past few years when gas prices were high & motorcycles became cost-efficient modes of transportation, and not just toys.

And, despite our best efforts, morons do pass the class and become legal on 2 wheels...

Not saying that's the case here, but...sometimes us m/c folks do dumb dodo too. (And I'm guilty of it, too. I'm typing w/ a broken hand cuz I did something dumb on a m/c. Fortunately on the track & not in traffic, but dumb nonetheless.)
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#12 Unread post by sapaul » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:52 am

JC Viper wrote:Honestly in order to escape these impatient asssclowns in their cars you have to ride a bit aggressively then these pundits go on about how bikers are aggressive and causing roads to be dangerous.

Now cars are coming equipped to compensate for driver stupidity such as lane drift warning, or blind spot warnings since no one does head checks anymore. This country is becoming fat lazy and stupid for a reason.
Can't agree more, I think it's a world wide sickness, but I suppose if you are brought up with

"Be all you can be and stuff the other guy"

then we have to expect the "me "me " me attitude.

At least bikers have a community spirit. 8)
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#13 Unread post by sapaul » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:11 am

Now yesterday after seeing a client, I stop at another bike down at an intersection. It was a friend of mine's daughter.

She was crossing over a 4 way intersection on green when another woman decided to shoot across. :evil:

I get so "procreating" angry when I hear the same crap every time. I did not see her.

This excuse has gone on too long. She did not see her because she did not look at anything smaller than her own vehicle. Typically denying all responsibility because she did not see her.

Young 18 year old girl now lies in ICU with c4 and c5 broken and they are doing damage control before they decide the next course of action.

What is so frustrating is that there is so little recourse and it will be an "accident"

they say speed kills, bullshit, bad driving does. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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#14 Unread post by ceemes » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:39 pm

sapaul wrote:Now yesterday after seeing a client, I stop at another bike down at an intersection. It was a friend of mine's daughter.

She was crossing over a 4 way intersection on green when another woman decided to shoot across. :evil:

I get so "procreating" angry when I hear the same "crumb" every time. I did not see her.

This excuse has gone on too long. She did not see her because she did not look at anything smaller than her own vehicle. Typically denying all responsibility because she did not see her.

Young 18 year old girl now lies in ICU with c4 and c5 broken and they are doing damage control before they decide the next course of action.

What is so frustrating is that there is so little recourse and it will be an "accident"

they say speed kills, bullshit, bad driving does. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I hear that. I commute daily on my bike, between a 10 to 20 minute ride depending on traffic and most of it is highway. Everyday some arsehole has to try something stupid in an attempt to bring my almost fifty years on this planet to a sudden and crashing end. Can't even begin to count the number of close calls and words exchanged with these dickheads.

Personally, I strongly believe that as a rider, I should have the absolute right to punch any bread I catch with cell phone glued to his ear in the head, thereby deeply embedding said phone in said ear hole, especially the bread who damn near took me out this afternoon in my parking lot....bonehead did a roaring reverse out of his stall even though his left hand view of on-coming traffic was blocked by a dirty great SUV, and yup, his f'ing mobile was glued to his f'ing left ear. Took some fancy braking and maneuvering to escape that fvckwad.
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#15 Unread post by JC Viper » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:26 pm

sapaul wrote:Now yesterday after seeing a client, I stop at another bike down at an intersection. It was a friend of mine's daughter.

She was crossing over a 4 way intersection on green when another woman decided to shoot across. :evil:

I get so "procreating" angry when I hear the same "crumb" every time. I did not see her.

This excuse has gone on too long. She did not see her because she did not look at anything smaller than her own vehicle. Typically denying all responsibility because she did not see her.

Young 18 year old girl now lies in ICU with c4 and c5 broken and they are doing damage control before they decide the next course of action.

What is so frustrating is that there is so little recourse and it will be an "accident"

they say speed kills, bullshit, bad driving does. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
So basically that twit also doesn't watch for pedestrians or bicyclists huh? I'm pretty sure a motorcycle with its headlight on and possibly running lights is more visible than a pedestrian. I would use that in court in suing the dogs for what she's worth. Here in NYC the mayor has been getting drivers to watch for bicyclists as a way to make the city greener but for some reason when it comes to motorcycles we should be aware of the dangers of other drivers. Remember at drivers education we are taught to be aware of our surroundings when operating a vehicle. What happened to that teaching? Just a sound bite not meant to be followed? Bull.

(INSULT REMOVED BY MOD) of a mayor and the city is ineffective with my accident case which the guy hit then ran and my insurance company found the guy. He wasn't arrested and he's refusing to pay for a bullshit reason that my bike stopped quicker than he could stop but I was sitting at a solid red for 2 seconds and I had a lot of red lights on the back of my bike. Kudos for my insurance company for going after the guy.

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#16 Unread post by Wrider » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:14 am

Plus (and I don't mean this as an insult to you JCViper) that's a complete BS reason. Cars for the vast majority of the case stop faster than bikes because of the differences in traction!
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#17 Unread post by ceemes » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:53 am

Wrider wrote:Plus (and I don't mean this as an insult to you JCViper) that's a complete BS reason. Cars for the vast majority of the case stop faster than bikes because of the differences in traction!
Not sure about that Wrider, given most modern bikes today come equipped with three disks brakes mounted on two wheels and many now have abs, while many cars still only come equipped with disks up front and drums in the rear. Then there is the mass plus velocity factor, a car and bike can be doing the same speed, but cars generally have more mass to slow down, meaning it has a lot more energy to bled off or turn into heat.
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#18 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:30 pm

Well, even if there was a car in front of that guy - he could have used that lame excuse.

Honestly, you are responsible for what is in front of you. Unless someone maximum brakes in front of you for no observable reason - anything you hit with the front of your car is your fault.

I really don't get how this guys excuse holds up for anything, especially since he's got multiple other violations.

I'd follow this guy around and call the police so they keep giving him tickets for not having his documentation.

I got a ticket for that on the GW - it as $120.!

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#19 Unread post by zeligman » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:31 am

i'm pretty sure that if you hit anything, it's your fault. if someone stops short in front and you hit them, its your fault because you were following too closely.

that may not be an arrestable offense, but im fairly certain the insurance company uses that to assess fault.
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#20 Unread post by flynrider » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:40 pm

Wrider wrote:Plus (and I don't mean this as an insult to you JCViper) that's a complete BS reason. Cars for the vast majority of the case stop faster than bikes because of the differences in traction!
I think the opposite is true. Stopping distance is more a function of weight and inertia than traction. If you've ever driven an 18-wheeler (plenty of rubber on the road), you'd know exactly what I mean.

While bikes do have less friction area to transfer stopping power to the road, their relative light weights mean that they don't require as much of a contact patch to do the job.

With the exception of maybe some hi performance sports cars, my bike can outstop just about any cage on the road.
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