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New Bike Question

#1 Unread post by Gunslinger » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:00 pm

I'm looking at buying a new bike and the dealer wants to charge me a $300 documentation fee. I assume this covers licensing and title transfer. My question to the Borg is, is there any reason I can't go to the DMV and do this myself? Do people typically haggle over this or do they just pay it along with the taxes? I've never purchased from a dealer before so I don't know if it would be poor form to even mention it.

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Re: New Bike Question

#2 Unread post by Flesher » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:58 pm

I think the first step is to have them define what the "documentation Fee" includes, ask them to break it down so you can understand the cost better. Hard to say if it's excessive or reasonable otherwise.

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#3 Unread post by jaskc78 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:23 am

the doc fee is just a way for them to make more money, and no matter what they're going to charge you. if you push the issue, they'll usually back down on it but they still have to list charging you the full amount so what they'll do is lower the price of the bike to offset the doc fee. the state or county or whichever licensing agency will bust their chops hard if they don't charge you the same doc fee they charge everyone else so they juggle the numbers to give you the discount but still charge you the fee. they do the same thing when they tell you they'll pay for the tax. they just lower the price so that when you add the tax on top, it's back at the original price.

$300 is a little higher than most places here in tucson, but generally the doc fee is just what it sounds like. paying them to do up all the paperwork and submit it. some of the paperwork they submit may have filing fees associated but mostly it's just the time it takes their title clerk or whoever to fill out all the required forms and file the paperwork. and yeah, you probably could manage to do all the paperwork yourself but it is a fairly large hassle and the only reason the dealerships will do it is because they can hire someone to do up all the forms and physically submit the paperwork for less than what they charge you. it's kind of a convenience fee.
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#4 Unread post by csspostal » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:06 am

If you ever had to wait in line at our MTO office trust me it is well worth the price to pay to stay out of that mess
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#5 Unread post by koji52 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:48 pm

I'd look to haggle the out-the-door price. It doesn't really matter what the mix of numbers is....in the end all that matters is what you pay at the end of the purchase. Keep in mind that you have a fair amount of wiggle room with prices these days...so push back and push hard. Good luck. What are you looking to get?
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#6 Unread post by jaskc78 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:55 am

koji52 wrote:I'd look to haggle the out-the-door price.
ding ding ding, there's a winner. don't worry what they say the price of the bike is. they can tack on doc fees, storage fees, crate fees, destination charges, advertising, whatever else they can think of. if you really want to know how much they're making, ask them to show you their price breakdown. if they won't show you, then they can come down more. if they really are making as little as they want you to believe, they'd be more than happy to prove it to you and save the hassle of arguing over the price.

wow, re-reading what i just wrote i think i need another percoset.
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#7 Unread post by Player-P » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:57 am

Gunslinger wrote:I'm looking at buying a new bike and the dealer wants to charge me a $300 documentation fee. I assume this covers licensing and title transfer. My question to the Borg is, is there any reason I can't go to the DMV and do this myself? Do people typically haggle over this or do they just pay it along with the taxes? I've never purchased from a dealer before so I don't know if it would be poor form to even mention it.
If it's a brand new bike, I'd say forget about the doc fees and haggle the freight, set up, storage, fees and which can be $500 or more, and haggle the MSRP. As much as they the dealers try to push it on you, you really don't have to pay those fees, ya know. Unless you're ordering a bike and having it shipped to you, why should you pay for freight & storage on a bike that has probably been sitting on their lot for months? The dealers have already paid for it! Good luck buddy :cowboy:
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Re: New Bike Question

#8 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:28 pm

You know, it would be nice if they stated by law what x, y and z are - what the options were, etc. Instead they cloak them in quasi official terms with no regard to what is required. Honestly, if I'm wasting a day buying a bike, I might as well go to the DMV and process the paperwork. Some people wait for weeks for these dealers to process all the registration documents, when you could have taken care of it in an hour or so.

And for some of us - it is worth it for them to do all the crud DMV stuff because it drives us crazy. Freight drives me crazy, but I've circled this drain before.
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Re: New Bike Question

#9 Unread post by Gunslinger » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:50 pm

Thanks for all the replies. I will keep checking the forum so if you have more to add feel free. I agree Rhadam, it would be nice if dealers were required to break down their costs so I could see exactly what I am paying for. Why should you or I have to play the numbers game?

Koji, I'm looking at a NOS 2009 Ninja 500. Out the door asking price is about 5K. Quite frankly I'm surprised it's still there. I have asked if they will knock 200 off but they won't move at all. They did offer me 10% off a helmet though.:mrgreen: I think I will go back one more time and see if they will deal, if not then I have a decision to make.

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#10 Unread post by jaskc78 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:24 pm

just ask them to show you their numbers and how the price adds up to $5,000. they might actually just suprise you by breaking it all down and showing you exactly where your money goes.
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#11 Unread post by Zane » Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:04 am

Not very likely they will back off. They have the investment to recoup and you would regret going to a DMV to do it yourself. I had mine done by the dealer and I rode my bike outta there with the license plate and registration within an hour.

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#12 Unread post by RhadamYgg » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:37 pm

With the FZ6 I recently bought - I just paid the fee and was out of there as soon as possible - on a late night in the middle of the week and rode it home. You can't really do that if you are going to take care of the paperwork yourself. I guess it is just one of those pains you have to deal with until such time your best friend is the owner of a motorcycle dealership that has a great selection.
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#13 Unread post by koji52 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:52 pm

How'd this turn out for you? I didn't come back to this thread til now but $5000 OTD doesn't seem unreasonable. I'd have to agree that the DMV is generally a "hell on earth" with employees ready to stick you with their horns and slap you around with their spade tails. If you buy and don't pay the $300 for documentation make sure you register in the middle of the month on a weekday after lunch.

If it's still sitting there maybe try again to haggle down? That bike is just taking up space for newer models. Sooner or later they're going to really want to unload it.
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Re: New Bike Question

#14 Unread post by Gunslinger » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:10 pm

Still waiting for them to blink first. The real trick is being there if/when they finally decide to drop the price a little more. If someone else comes in before me and gets the offer that's going to suck. I agree with you guys, the asking price seems fair even with the doc fee. If they would lower it just a couple hundred I'd probably go for it.

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#15 Unread post by CmHall9 » Thu May 06, 2010 9:46 pm

I'm looking at getting a Triumph Bonneville $7,699. The dealer told me the extra cost added to the price of the bike is; $300 tax, $150 shipping and and $150 for the title and tags. Total cost = $8299.
I know in S.C. I can run up to the DMV and deal with the title and tags on my own. Saving me $150.
I'm also going to pay cache for the tax and shipping. I choose not to pay interest on taxes if I take out a loan.
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