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#1 Unread post by sapaul » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:30 am

In the past 2 days I have ridden all 3 of my machines

My GS, nods, and more commonly, waves from just about every biker, (I forgive the noobs who cannot let go of a handlebar or cannot nod in case they lose concentration)

The R850R street fighter with the noisy pipe, nods from just about every biker except the beemer crowd

Kymco 250 Scoot, just about ignored by everyone except the odd small bike rider

WTF, I am the same guy, does what I ride make such a difference or is it that some people have really small pencil syndrome that dictates that if you acknowledge someone outside of your perceived status, it will shrink and get smaller. Were real bikers breast fed and believe that scooter riders were brought up on a bottle and delivered by C section. Are all beemer riders tree huggers and go to therapy to assuage their guilt trip for riding bike.

or is it just me, maybe I smell bad and don't know it myself yet, or could it be the stains down the front of my camo pants where I spilled the milk.

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#2 Unread post by HYPERR » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:17 am

sapaul wrote: The R850R street fighter with the noisy pipe, nods from just about every biker except the beemer crowd

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#3 Unread post by Gummiente » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:19 pm

I wave to everyone, whether I'm on the Harley or the Ural. I especially love waving to Beemers, Gold Wings and scooters when on the Harley, though, 'cause it's funny to watch them almost go into the ditch from the shock.

Return waves while on the Harley - just about every bike, except for some BMW's, Gold Wings and a few badass poseur Harley riders who mistake my Road Glide for a Gold Wing.

Return waves while on the Ural - pretty much everybody, except for the really cool BMW and Harley riders.
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#4 Unread post by jstark47 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:52 pm

Sapaul, that's funny, 'cause scooter riders are the biggest class of folks around here who don't wave back. But I think it's mostly just because they're not expecting waves from people on big motorcycles.
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#5 Unread post by sapaul » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:50 am

Must be because I smell so bad then, I am sure I picked up some kind of scurvy from being in my gear for 5 weeks doing the world cup gig.

Still have not washed it.
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#6 Unread post by obfg » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:19 pm

Me, I wave at everybody unless I am doing something that I think requires two hands and total concentration. I have had people on scooters wave and people on bicycles wave. I wave right back if I have not instigated the wave in the first place.

Speaking of scooters particularly the electric kind has anyone noticed that they tend to ride on the right side of the lane. Is there a reason for this. I thought that they could keep up with normal town speed limits. If that is the case should they not ride in the on the left side of the lane.

Maybe since they don't require a motorcycle licence they are unaware of the safest place to ride. Any thoughts?

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#7 Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:43 pm

I wave at all two wheeled vehicles. I find the same thing depending on bike type though. Bunch of jerks out there!
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#8 Unread post by Kal » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:10 am

obfg wrote:Speaking of scooters particularly the electric kind has anyone noticed that they tend to ride on the right side of the lane. Is there a reason for this. I thought that they could keep up with normal town speed limits. If that is the case should they not ride in the on the left side of the lane.

Maybe since they don't require a motorcycle licence they are unaware of the safest place to ride. Any thoughts?

Assuming that you ride on the WRONG side of the road liek the rest of North America... (Yeah I'm back - bring it) then it is the equivilant of our newer riders riding in the gutter on the left - basically they are new, inexperienced and intimdated. It is almost counter-intuative to believe that you are safer the more you push out into the lane.
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#9 Unread post by luis_alberto » Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:59 am

obfg wrote:Speaking of scooters particularly the electric kind has anyone noticed that they tend to ride on the right side of the lane. Is there a reason for this. I thought that they could keep up with normal town speed limits. If that is the case should they not ride in the on the left side of the lane.
Let me tell you. I started riding a scooter for which I didn't needed a motorcycle license. I didn't wave back to motorcyclist because I didn't know it was a friendly sign. As well, I used to ride on the right side of my lane. All this I did because I didn't know and was until I took the motorcycle safety course where I learned all this. I even asked the instructor why motorcyclists waved at me.

I think that it must be required to all riders (no matter the size of the engine) that go into traffic to take a motorcycle safety course.

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#10 Unread post by BRUMBEAR » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:16 pm

Scooter guys get a pass cause them lil wheels are tough and the hard guy 275" ape hanger guys are afraid to let go :)
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#11 Unread post by Kal » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:24 am

luis_alberto wrote:I think that it must be required to all riders (no matter the size of the engine) that go into traffic to take a motorcycle safety course.
They are over here, new riders* are required to take the CBT which sounds similar to the riders edge course except on smaller bikes and with an on-road section in order to ride sub 125cc (14.6bhp) machines.


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#12 Unread post by havegunjoe » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:26 pm

I find it is mainly the Harley guys and especially the custom chopper ones that tend to not wave. I wave to them all if I can. You can almost tell the ones that are not going to wave back.
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#13 Unread post by sapaul » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:52 am

Hi Kal, how ya doing. The UK may be a nanny state, but they seem to be getting the bike thing right
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#14 Unread post by High_Side » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:03 am

I used to wave at other bikes religiously, but there are just soo many other bikes on the road today it is kind of meaningless. I need to get one of those plastic wavey hands on a metal spring to handle the load as to not offend anyones sensibilities when I am out riding :P

Now as for the diffferent attitudes that you face riding different bikes, I find this funny as heck as well. When the wife used to have a VTR 250 I was amazed at how many people wanted to square off at stop-lights, when virtually nobody was interested when I was on my VTR1000 :mrgreen: . I would get snickered at by the guy on the Gixxer with 3/4" of chicken strips on his squared off tire and experience a completely different attitude than when I was on my big bike. Same thing with older bikes: I get a distinctly different vibe from others when I ride the 14 year old viffer vs. the LOUD and narly Superduke. For a while I thought it was just me or a coincidence but it happens....

BTW the VTR250 was dead even against a 1500 Boulevard Suzuki up to 120km/hr. (at which point he took a sudden exit :baby: )

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#15 Unread post by Kal » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:12 am

sapaul wrote:Hi Kal, how ya doing. The UK may be a nanny state, but they seem to be getting the bike thing right
Hiya Paul

The bike thing was well balanced, but now they've changed it agian it's getting harder and harder to pass, if only because the most recent updates have come from the EU and conditions her are inately different. Little things like speed limits.

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#16 Unread post by bandit600 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:43 am

I've never heard of a VTR250. Just looked it up, awesome. Too bad the demographic over here in the US leans hard (hard = more cc's) to the cruiser or sportbike side and not much in between.

I try to wave to everyone that seems to be in my field of view and if my clutch hand is not busy.
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#17 Unread post by Gunslinger » Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:28 pm

High_Side wrote:I used to wave at other bikes religiously, but there are just soo many other bikes on the road today it is kind of meaningless. I need to get one of those plastic wavey hands on a metal spring to handle the load as to not offend anyones sensibilities when I am out riding :P
I'm with you on this. When I was a noob rider a couple of years ago, and I wouldn't get the return wave I would instantly think, "What is this guy's problem?" But it's not necessarily a bad attitude. Could be he's afraid to let go of the handlebars. Could be he is lost in his thoughts. Could be he doesn't know you from Adam, so why are you waving at him? Or it could be he just didn't see you. If you don't get the return wave try not to take it personally, I know I don't. I usually don't wave at scooters either. I guess I don't consider them to be "motorcycles", although technically they are.

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#18 Unread post by sapaul » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:01 am

I usually don't wave at scooters either. I guess I don't consider them to be "motorcycles", although technically they are.[/quote]


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#19 Unread post by High_Side » Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:11 am

bandit600 wrote:I've never heard of a VTR250. Just looked it up, awesome. Too bad the demographic over here in the US leans hard (hard = more cc's) to the cruiser or sportbike side and not much in between.
Actually, I was referring to the old one that was sole in the US. My wife's '90 VTR has basically the same engine as the new Japanese market VTR250 that looks like a Monster. They didn't sell well in Canada because they listed at $5500 new in 1990! Thats more than you need to buy a new 2010 Ninja 250 for today!

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#20 Unread post by ceemes » Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:34 pm

I wave most of the time, tho I do notice its mainly the posers on choppers who don't wave back. But as for universal hand signal for bikers, I think there should be one that could be used to warn on-coming riders that a speed tax collector has set up shop just down the road. Couple of times while riding home, I've spotted an unmarked RCMP mini-van pulled off to the side of the other side of the highway usually around a bend just awaiting for some poor soul to blast by, then a few minutes later see an on-coming rider heading straight into the trap. Apart from flashing my high beams at him or her, we've no way of warning them. And with headlight modulators, odds are they wont notice the warning. I was thinking a hand sign, something thing like holding out your arm with your palm outward and fingers spread wide open, and then clenching into a fist...sort of like showing 5-0......just a thought
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