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Optimal speed for lowest consumption of gas?

#1 Unread post by Hondagirl » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:47 pm

Probably i am supposed to know this already but I don't. So I figured you guys n gals would be the people to ask :)

Am riding to the West coast tomorrow (on my Honda XR Motard 400)behind a removal truck (moving house) and I don't know the route but it takes about 4 hours slow roads apparantly and it's around 120 kms.

I don't want us to have to stop for gas till we get there if poss and my bike does 120 kms full tank which I will start at. What sort of speed would get me the best mileage? The truck I'm following will drive slow (or to my speed) as it has heavy stuff -very small truck- and my precious dog in it. Any tips welcome.

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#2 Unread post by VermilionX » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:09 pm

your bike doesn't have a tachometer?

basically you wanna keep your rpms low, shift early, don't accelerate hard.
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#3 Unread post by Wrider » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:22 am

Yup, shift low, accelerate slowly, keep the RPMs low. Your best speed for fuel efficiency is about 200 RPM above where your engine starts bogging down in top gear.
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#4 Unread post by Marvin » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:34 am

There's a fine line in the right size and the power of the engine matched to the size and weight of the bike.
Like if you had a small, underpowered engine mounted into a big heavy bike you'll have to run that engine at its max for it to pull around the weight of the bike and gas mileage would suffer, but if you had the right size engine where you wouldn't have to run it around all day at full throttle you would get good gas mileage, take the 500-650cc sport bikes for an example, in my opinion these are the perfect size with the engine power matched perfectly with the size of the bike with plenty of reserve power thats never needed, my Yamaha FZ6 gets 10 mpg better than my Yamaha Tmax cause the Tmax is around the same weight but its a less powerfull engine.
The top engineering masterpiece is the Kawasaki 250 Ninja, that engine will perform as good as any large cruiser bike, but its mounted on a light weight frame and it will get between 62-75 mpg, if you want good gas mileage with solid performance thats the bike to get!
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#5 Unread post by Hondagirl » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:01 am

Thanks for the tips :D

Vermilion X ~ no tachometer, only speedometer, yours and Wrider's advice I will bear in mind. Try and accelerate very slow and shift early :notworthy: thanks for the speed advice good to know ~ Wrider.

Marvin~ yeah. the strain factor is something I'd thought about as I know the roads are going to be mixed (as in some windy, some long and straight, uphill, down, with traffic and without etc) so there will be a lot of shift maneuver and throttle won't be steady.

I like the Kawasaki Ninja, very popular bike here, sounds like it gets better mileage than my Motard :goof:

Looks like clear skies here with highs of 60F tomorrow heading west with rain at the destination in the afternoon. Hope to make it before that rain.
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#6 Unread post by sapaul » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:22 am

Please put your safety above gas mileage though, riding slowly can cause fatigue. If you need to , go ahead and blow away the cobwebs and give yourself a rest stop and wait for the truck.

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#7 Unread post by Marvin » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:52 am

My personal #1 rule on any motorcycle or scooter is it has to have radial tires,,,, not bias-ply! To me its the tires on the bike that makes the bike ride and handle, to me bias ply tires are dangerous on wet roads, for the longest time my dream bike was the Suzuki V Strom, but always in the past they came with bias ply tires, (new ones switched to radials) and thats the only reason I didn't buy one and thats one of the main reasons I purchaced a Yamaha Tmax cause it came with radials...it drives me crazy how new people that were never on any motorcycle before wants a cruiser bike with bias ply tires on it cause these bikes are the toughest to handle and ride and that makes it rougher for a beginner to ride, thats why I always recommend the 600-650cc sport bikes as a beginner bike such as the Suzuki SV650S, or the Kawasaki 650 Ninja, Yamaha FZ6-FZ8 cause these bikes are very easy to ride and handle and with radial tires they get great traction on wet roads. My newest dream bike is the Honda Interceptor, took one for a test ride once,, at low throttle it feels like a slow 250cc bike but at high throttle the engine comes alive like a monster that rips your arms out trying to hold on!
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#8 Unread post by dr_bar » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:13 am

So you're saying I should park my bike for good because there are no radials that can be found to fit it?

The M/C manufacturer recommends that radials not be used on my bike. I won't mention that fact that all the Bias Ply tires I've bought for my two heavy weight cruisers have performed above and beyond in wet conditions. Oops, I just mentioned it...

If you want to black list tires, don't do it because of the structure, do it becuse of the shitty compounds some of them are made of. Also be more specific in your application, some tires have softer compounds, others are harder, both can be bias or radial. Tires with softer compounds have more grip than ones with harder compounds, yet the life of the softer tire will be shorter due to faster wear...

People should buy the tire that fits the intended application...
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#9 Unread post by Wrider » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:48 am

Marvin wrote:My personal #1 rule on any motorcycle or scooter is it has to have radial tires,,,, not bias-ply! To me its the tires on the bike that makes the bike ride and handle, to me bias ply tires are dangerous on wet roads, for the longest time my dream bike was the Suzuki V Strom, but always in the past they came with bias ply tires, (new ones switched to radials) and thats the only reason I didn't buy one and thats one of the main reasons I purchaced a Yamaha Tmax cause it came with radials...it drives me crazy how new people that were never on any motorcycle before wants a cruiser bike with bias ply tires on it cause these bikes are the toughest to handle and ride and that makes it rougher for a beginner to ride, thats why I always recommend the 600-650cc sport bikes as a beginner bike such as the Suzuki SV650S, or the Kawasaki 650 Ninja, Yamaha FZ6-FZ8 cause these bikes are very easy to ride and handle and with radial tires they get great traction on wet roads. My newest dream bike is the Honda Interceptor, took one for a test ride once,, at low throttle it feels like a slow 250cc bike but at high throttle the engine comes alive like a monster that rips your arms out trying to hold on!
Sooner or later you'll learn that you need to shut up and learn rather than pretend you know anything about bikes.
Besides I thought your scooter was the end all be all of motorcycling. Why would you ever need to go back to a clutched 1200 cc motorcycle when you have your t-minimum?
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#10 Unread post by Marvin » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:39 am

Wrider? I love the attention I get with the Yamaha Tmax,,, scooters are very popular right now, everybody wants one, and I own the one that everybody wants and is excited about, everybody has watched and read the reviews on the high powered maxi scooters and in every review the Yamaha Tmax always come out on top,,,, I just love to brag that I own one even when its almost impossible for everybody to buy one, Its fun owning a Tmax when so few were sold in the U.S. and being one of the so few that owns one..

you see? the bike you own is B-O-R-I-N-G cause everybody else ones the same bike, it gets no attention cause everybody is used to seeing the same bike all the time, it doesn't excite people looking at the same model of bike over and over again.... but what I own is very rare, you don't see many of what I own and ,,, yes it does attract attention!
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#11 Unread post by Wrider » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:49 am

I've never seen another Z750S on the road. As far as I know there are 2 others in the entire state of CO. There's a lot more T Minimums than that just in town.

I also meant to address your bias ply versus radial tire comment earlier. The only advantage to a radial tire is that it's capable of higher speeds. Bias Ply can handle more load in a lot of cases. So maybe you ought to look into the bias ply tires for your scoot scoot?
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#12 Unread post by dr_bar » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:53 am

Marvin wrote:...yes it does attract attention!
So does a monkey on a leash...

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#13 Unread post by Marvin » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:41 pm

like I said,,,, I love my Tmax cause people like you don't own one,,,,,come on!!! you have to be honest and admit, if someone you didn't like owned the exact same bike you owned it would make you angry.... come on, admit it!
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#14 Unread post by dr_bar » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:26 pm

Personally, there are several people I've met that own the same bike as I do, and I really don't like their attitude, their politics, their moral "I'm better than you" stance. I really can't stand these people, but I don't give a sh*t that they ride the same bike as I do, two of them ride the exact same colour as mine... If you can think these stupid situations up, you have waayyy deeper problems than anyone on here has ever contemplated...
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#15 Unread post by Marvin » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:32 am

Wrider? a radial tire has much better wet road traction, a bias ply is dangerous on a wet road,,,, a radial just "feels" better

can we have a conversation about the diameter and width of tires and how that effects traction and handling?
ok,, I am a big believer that the motorcycle was designed and engineered around the size of the tires, when that bike was designed they tried every possible size of tire and the one they choose on it was the best possible one they found for the best ride and handling.
I strongly disagree when riders install different size tires other than the stock size, I say that makes the handling worse, cruiser guys that install extra wide tires find themselves really slowing down on that tight curve and takes away that softer ride suspension,, they do that to make their bike look good with an extra wide tire.
I own the Yamaha Tmax, and I know a guy that owns the Suzuki Burgman, on his Burgman his tires wear out every 3000 miles, my Tmax has 3600 miles and the stock tires on it still look like new, he wanted to know why,,, its very simple, the diameter of his tires are much smaller so his tires rotate much more for the same speed and distance covered than the bigger diameter of my tires,,, you understand what I mean? making it simple, if a tire was half the size than the tire on another bike and they went the same distance, those smaller half size tires had to rotate twice as many times to cover the same distance... right? Thats why his tires wear out faster.
There! I had an intelligent, respectful conversation without any insults, I just hope the responce, if any is also intelligent and respectful,,, I can understand if you don't agree with me and if you give me a new fact that makes sence I will highly respect you, I am not the know all of everything, I like to learn new things, but I do have to admit I know much more than most people.
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#16 Unread post by Marvin » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:53 am

dr_bar? I have been owning and riding motorcycles for 25 years, I was riding before motorcycles were cool,,,, now everybody owns one, I can ride and jump a motorcross bike as good as a professional, I can take an ATV to places everybody else is afraid to go, I can lean that big cruiser bike over a tight curve better than the guy that was riding that same bike for 10 years,,,,, yes,,, I can ride the bike you own and are experienced on better than you! In my book nothing beats experience.,,,, and I can't hold back my true feelings seeing and watching guys new to motorcycling thinking they are the top expert riders, they have the best bike,, and at the same time these same guys cutting me down saying I can't ride, can't clutch just because I ride a scooter. I don't have to prove anything to anybody and I never ask those new guys to prove to me that they can ride, but when they harrasss me just because i ride a scooter, and knowing those same people can't handle that big cruiser bike, it makes my blood boil. I see it all the time watching other riders, just watching them ride a blind man can see they can't ride or are inexperienced, maybe I am obsessed with watching them and judging them,,, I just thought if I would share how I feel that someone with the same experience I do would agree with me.
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#17 Unread post by dr_bar » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:14 am

Marvin wrote:dr_bar? I have been owning and riding motorcycles for 25 years,
When you brag incessantly about your skills, your looks and can't keep your stories straight, you set yourself up for the ridicule you get. Here you tell me you've owned and ridden bikes for 25 years, funny thing is, you only put 8 years riding in your profile... Go ahead and change it now, but everyone has seen this lie right up front. Now, put your good looks and best bike up front and prove what you say, or just shut up, we're sick of the BS that you spew nonstop...

Oh yeah, Motorcycles have been cool for over a century, they were cool the day they were invented and will be cool as long as someone admires them and rides them...
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#18 Unread post by jstark47 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:18 am

Marvin wrote:I just thought if I would share how I feel that someone with the same experience I do would agree with me.
Nobody has the same experience as you, because no one else can hear the voices in your head. Try a tin-foil hat, they really work sometimes.....



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#20 Unread post by Wrider » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:06 pm

Incorrect on bias ply versus radial in wet traction, that solely has to do with rubber compounds and treads.

And thank you captain obvious about tire sizes. I posted something similar back in 2008 I think. Wide tires = worse handling but more power can be put to the ground. Narrow tires = better handling but less usable horsepower.
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