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#141 Unread post by DivideOverflow » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:40 am

Well, I know you read it.. you commented on my post.. Being that it was only a couple of pages ago, I would hope that you would remember ;)
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Yeah, yeah, so you bought a Katana... good for you. I still wouldn't recommend that for a first bike for American riders. I usually stick to the 50/500 rule (under 50 hp and under 500 lbs). With your 4 months euro experience (which you didn't mention in the first place), you are probably fine, but 99% of the riders on here don't get that kind of treatment. The katana has over 50 hp, and is very close to 500 lbs. More importantly, it carries its weight in an awkward top-heavy fashion that I don't recommend for new riders.

You like your bike, good for you. You still won't get me to recommend it to someone who is a true beginner as their first bike.
Come on Divide Overflow I do sense you "reconsidering" your previous comments. Maybe you were just too much of a hard "O Ring" and should have read all the related threads before you jumped all over me. Dont be a dinasour, theres nothing wrong with embracing alternative views.

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#142 Unread post by Peter Y » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:19 am

DivideOverflowWell, I know you read it.. you commented on my post.. Being that it was only a couple of pages ago, I would hope that you would remember ;)
OK but the question was to the larger auidence also. Not just aimed at a single person. Anyway its too beautiful of a day today to worry about and its Friday. Time to ride.......... :lol:

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#143 Unread post by Nalian » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:13 am

If you're really that curious, start up a poll in the appropriate forum. :) That question has been answered a ton in this thread alone!

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#144 Unread post by flw » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:23 am

Just to jump on a point, since I've come back into bikes from decades ago, I'm glad I restarted with a 500cc bike. I can handle the weight easily and I have to screw up more to have the bike get away from me.

The only exception I would have is taller people (I'm only 5'10) in general that can't find a bike of 500cc to ride that is comfortable for at least 60 minutes.

If you want to go long distance, get a plane ticket. You get there in one piece and enjoy your destination. If you insist on a bike, then wait a couple years or more till your that good by other peoples standars, not just your own. Being able to do 80+ down the freeway is not the standard. After comfortable riding on your own, try building up to it with group rides of longer and longer distances first.
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#145 Unread post by jackc34 » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:51 am

flw wrote:Just to jump on a point, since I've come back into bikes from decades ago, I'm glad I restarted with a 500cc bike. I can handle the weight easily and I have to screw up more to have the bike get away from me.

The only exception I would have is taller people (I'm only 5'10) in general that can't find a bike of 500cc to ride that is comfortable for at least 60 minutes.

If you want to go long distance, get a plane ticket. You get there in one piece and enjoy your destination. If you insist on a bike, then wait a couple years or more till your that good by other peoples standars, not just your own. Being able to do 80+ down the freeway is not the standard. After comfortable riding on your own, try building up to it with group rides of longer and longer distances first.

Just to clairify,A Honda 600cc supersport CBR is listed as a 600cc,however if you read the specs,the actual size of the engine is in fact a 598cc,now I never said there wasnt any diff between a 500cc and a 600cc,i said the diff was minnor,Also,Let's face it,some people just want a 600cc because it sounds so cool,Well yippy for you,

Pay the outragous insurance,Get ticket after ticket,Get broken bones on of broken bones,I really don't care,But facts are facts,No 600cc is a full on 600cc engine,They are less than 600cc,and a 500cc is less than 500cc,just like a 1000cc is less than 1000cc,It's called Scalling,they scale up the cc to the closet size,ever heard of rounding off to the nearest number?

And in the world of power and insurance,A 500cc falls into the same class as a 600cc,A 250cc falls into the class of a 300cc,400cc,500cc and 600cc's are grouped together,everything from 750cc up is grouped in with the 1000cc bikes,You can sit there and talk about the diff that 100cc's make in a bike,but in the end all you are doing is proving the point that none of you are true riders,You want the power,you want the speed it's all about racing in your head,That's not a true rider,A rider is about the ride,the freedom,the spirit of the ride,Not the (Hey I have a 600cc bike,I can kick your butt)
That way of thought is the reason insurance is to high for everyone,Because of the streat racing jerks and the fools who can't just buy a bike to enjoy the ride,No they have to act like fools,and thus running the overall cost of insurance through the roof for everyone,Same way with these school kids who rush out and buy a Mazda RX8,A Hyundai Tiburon,Why just to race and look like a stud to their friends or to get attention,

Facts are facts,love it or hate it,DEAL WITH IT.enough wasting time on fools and their toys.

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#146 Unread post by flw » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:26 am

Your counter point or point to my post is lost to me in your lengthy response.

There is nothing magical about 500cc. It just a general guideline or opinion. 600 cc is basically the same. You can kill yourself on either and less.
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#147 Unread post by Sev » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:54 am

jackc34 wrote:
flw wrote:Just to jump on a point, since I've come back into bikes from decades ago, I'm glad I restarted with a 500cc bike. I can handle the weight easily and I have to screw up more to have the bike get away from me.

The only exception I would have is taller people (I'm only 5'10) in general that can't find a bike of 500cc to ride that is comfortable for at least 60 minutes.

If you want to go long distance, get a plane ticket. You get there in one piece and enjoy your destination. If you insist on a bike, then wait a couple years or more till your that good by other peoples standars, not just your own. Being able to do 80+ down the freeway is not the standard. After comfortable riding on your own, try building up to it with group rides of longer and longer distances first.

Just to clairify,A Honda 600cc supersport CBR is listed as a 600cc,however if you read the specs,the actual size of the engine is in fact a 598cc,now I never said there wasnt any diff between a 500cc and a 600cc,i said the diff was minnor,Also,Let's face it,some people just want a 600cc because it sounds so cool,Well yippy for you,

Pay the outragous insurance,Get ticket after ticket,Get broken bones on of broken bones,I really don't care,But facts are facts,No 600cc is a full on 600cc engine,They are less than 600cc,and a 500cc is less than 500cc,just like a 1000cc is less than 1000cc,It's called Scalling,they scale up the cc to the closet size,ever heard of rounding off to the nearest number?

And in the world of power and insurance,A 500cc falls into the same class as a 600cc,A 250cc falls into the class of a 300cc,400cc,500cc and 600cc's are grouped together,everything from 750cc up is grouped in with the 1000cc bikes,You can sit there and talk about the diff that 100cc's make in a bike,but in the end all you are doing is proving the point that none of you are true riders,You want the power,you want the speed it's all about racing in your head,That's not a true rider,A rider is about the ride,the freedom,the spirit of the ride,Not the (Hey I have a 600cc bike,I can kick your butt)
That way of thought is the reason insurance is to high for everyone,Because of the streat racing jerks and the fools who can't just buy a bike to enjoy the ride,No they have to act like fools,and thus running the overall cost of insurance through the roof for everyone,Same way with these school kids who rush out and buy a Mazda RX8,A Hyundai Tiburon,Why just to race and look like a stud to their friends or to get attention,

Facts are facts,love it or hate it,DEAL WITH IT.enough wasting time on fools and their toys.
You sure write a lot for someone with nothing to say.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#148 Unread post by jonnythan » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:32 am

jackc34 wrote:
flw wrote:Just to jump on a point, since I've come back into bikes from decades ago, I'm glad I restarted with a 500cc bike. I can handle the weight easily and I have to screw up more to have the bike get away from me.

The only exception I would have is taller people (I'm only 5'10) in general that can't find a bike of 500cc to ride that is comfortable for at least 60 minutes.

If you want to go long distance, get a plane ticket. You get there in one piece and enjoy your destination. If you insist on a bike, then wait a couple years or more till your that good by other peoples standars, not just your own. Being able to do 80+ down the freeway is not the standard. After comfortable riding on your own, try building up to it with group rides of longer and longer distances first.

Just to clairify,A Honda 600cc supersport CBR is listed as a 600cc,however if you read the specs,the actual size of the engine is in fact a 598cc,now I never said there wasnt any diff between a 500cc and a 600cc,i said the diff was minnor,Also,Let's face it,some people just want a 600cc because it sounds so cool,Well yippy for you,

Pay the outragous insurance,Get ticket after ticket,Get broken bones on of broken bones,I really don't care,But facts are facts,No 600cc is a full on 600cc engine,They are less than 600cc,and a 500cc is less than 500cc,just like a 1000cc is less than 1000cc,It's called Scalling,they scale up the cc to the closet size,ever heard of rounding off to the nearest number?

And in the world of power and insurance,A 500cc falls into the same class as a 600cc,A 250cc falls into the class of a 300cc,400cc,500cc and 600cc's are grouped together,everything from 750cc up is grouped in with the 1000cc bikes,You can sit there and talk about the diff that 100cc's make in a bike,but in the end all you are doing is proving the point that none of you are true riders,You want the power,you want the speed it's all about racing in your head,That's not a true rider,A rider is about the ride,the freedom,the spirit of the ride,Not the (Hey I have a 600cc bike,I can kick your butt)
That way of thought is the reason insurance is to high for everyone,Because of the streat racing jerks and the fools who can't just buy a bike to enjoy the ride,No they have to act like fools,and thus running the overall cost of insurance through the roof for everyone,Same way with these school kids who rush out and buy a Mazda RX8,A Hyundai Tiburon,Why just to race and look like a stud to their friends or to get attention,

Facts are facts,love it or hate it,DEAL WITH IT.enough wasting time on fools and their toys.
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A GSX-R600 has 106hp.


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#149 Unread post by b!keR » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:48 am

I will buy r6 2002 and take my chances.Over

and just 1 thing:I know 1 boy my ages.He drop down from 50cc apn bike (this is actually "poo poo" not bike) and stay disabled person.What to say-"poo poo" happens but we can be watchful.Good luck to all

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#150 Unread post by Koss » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:14 pm

Hrm... actually insurance price for a 500cc standard or cruiser is very much different than for a 600cc sportbike. I first payed about $240USD a year for my 500cc standard bike. Later on I got a check in the mail saying they overcharged me $20USD... for the heck of it I priced the same year (2006) (EDIT: now I'm talking about a 600cc sport bike) and same insurance coverage (comprehensive with all the bells and whistles)... and it came out to over $2,000 for one year. Yea... big difference. And also, not all insurance companies in the states go by engine size either. And if they do use engine size... its just one of the MANY things they factor into their quote.
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#151 Unread post by Peter Y » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:00 pm

Its been exactly a week since the last post on this issue. Seems to have someone "died out".

Well just an update for anyone who gives a dam its my second month on the Katana and its going great. The weather has warmed up, the days are longer and each turn I go into seems to be more comfortable than the previous.

The Lemans 24 hour race is one also. Do any of you folks on that side of the world show any interest in that?

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#152 Unread post by High_Side » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:07 pm

Koss wrote: No one ever said the 600cc katana is a SUPERsport bike.
Suzuki did, and so did most of the motorcycle press - in 1988. It was tied with the CBR600 for the title of the ultimate 600 that year.
Just my $.02 to add to a silly azz argument.

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#153 Unread post by Peter Y » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:22 pm

High_Side wrote:
Koss wrote: No one ever said the 600cc katana is a SUPERsport bike.
Suzuki did, and so did most of the motorcycle press - in 1988. It was tied with the CBR600 for the title of the ultimate 600 that year.
Just my $.02 to add to a silly azz argument.
I cant say anything about the 80's but I can say that my 2003 Katana is definitly not in the same category as the CBR.

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#154 Unread post by Koss » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:25 am

High_Side wrote:
Koss wrote: No one ever said the 600cc katana is a SUPERsport bike.
Suzuki did, and so did most of the motorcycle press - in 1988. It was tied with the CBR600 for the title of the ultimate 600 that year.
Just my $.02 to add to a silly azz argument.
rofl. Yes your right, bikes were held at a different standard than they are now :P

Hehe, I know your just giving me a hard time for laughs... but just so others get what I was meaning to say, I had forum members in mind when I said nobody.
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#155 Unread post by olyelllr » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:18 pm

Does a 1994 KZ1000P make an ok first bike? I realize its top heavy. I recently completed CHP Rider course.

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#156 Unread post by ejjury » Thu May 03, 2007 12:19 am

I wish I would have known all of this...

I just bought my first bike last June and I ended up with a Honda 919 fresh off the rack. It had been two years since I went through basic rider training and I just keep looking at my license and wondering what the bother was if I wasn't going to ride. I knew absolutely nothing about motorcycles and the only people I knew who had them were Harley fanatics. I went to the local Honda dealership because it was the closest and wandered about for a good hour while the dealer guys joked with me and put me on every bike in the store. I had trained on a Nighthawk and love that little bike. It was agile, quick, and had a very comfortable riding position. Unfortunately, when I went to try the new models it wasn't as comfortable as the old and I was shopping with my Harley friend. She kept trying to put me on the cruisers but after the first sit I knew I could never get one, the seating arrangement threw my hip in a very uncomfortable position. So I went to the rockets and found them just as bad because I couldn't sit up to see. Well as things came around the 919 was the only comfortable bike for me to sit with my long arms and legs and short torso.

Anyways, the point is that I wish someone had shown me how to go about finding a good used bike for that first year and one with a little less oomph. I had never ridden a bike until the training and as yet was stalling out because no one had told me to give gas with clutch release. So it was dropped twice. The only good side of this is that my bike might be a little scratched, but I do love it. I get better riding it every time and have become very comfortable on it. But, like I said, I think a bike that had been loved a bit and had a smaller engine would have been best for a noob like me.
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#157 Unread post by TKDean » Sat May 05, 2007 5:49 am

I'm a newbie that was planing to buy a Katana 600 for my first bike. However after this article I've reconsidered.
Now I need to decide what to get. I want something that looks sporty. And no, looks is not the only reason i want to start riding. However there are too many to list now.

Here are my choices and i would appreciate any feed back from anyone who knows more about these bikes.

Suzuki GS600F (heard it was underpowered)

Buell Blast (Heard it was underpowered)

Hyosung GT250R (Heard it wasnt very good, a little heavy and has a bad resale value)

United Motors V2S-250R (apparently the exact same bike as the Hyosung GT250R but in different colors and badge)

Kawasaki Ninja 650R
I know its a 600cc+ bike its just that i read an article on TMW that said
Ultimately, this exceptionally well-proportioned NINJA 650R represents a genre of motorcycling new to Kawasaki—one that finds itself at home with both novices and experienced riders, and one that will be seen equally in daily midtown commuting situations as well as week-end highway getaways.
Now unless im mistaken novice means beginner.


Oh. Id also like to know the top speeds and 0-60's of these bikes.

Thanks

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#158 Unread post by DivideOverflow » Sat May 05, 2007 6:08 am

TKDean wrote:I'm a newbie that was planing to buy a Katana 600 for my first bike. However after this article I've reconsidered.
Now I need to decide what to get. I want something that looks sporty. And no, looks is not the only reason i want to start riding. However there are too many to list now.

Here are my choices and i would appreciate any feed back from anyone who knows more about these bikes.

Suzuki GS600F (heard it was underpowered)

Buell Blast (Heard it was underpowered)

Hyosung GT250R (Heard it wasnt very good, a little heavy and has a bad resale value)

United Motors V2S-250R (apparently the exact same bike as the Hyosung GT250R but in different colors and badge)

Kawasaki Ninja 650R
I know its a 600cc+ bike its just that i read an article on TMW that said
Ultimately, this exceptionally well-proportioned NINJA 650R represents a genre of motorcycling new to Kawasaki—one that finds itself at home with both novices and experienced riders, and one that will be seen equally in daily midtown commuting situations as well as week-end highway getaways.
Now unless im mistaken novice means beginner.


Oh. Id also like to know the top speeds and 0-60's of these bikes.

Thanks
How big are you? What is your height/weight/inseam?

The katana is a little top heavy, but if you are a decent sized guy, it would be fine. It is not underpowered, especially for a first bike. It is actually quite peppy.

Buell blast is for people 5'6 and under. Very small. Very.

Hyosung GT250R is a decent bike. I personally like that 250cc motor, as I had one in my first bike. It would be a very, very good first bike. Easy to handle, confidence inspiring, great gas mileage, low insurance.

Kawasaki Ninja 650R is probably the best bike of the bunch, but it is also the fastest. Your maturity will play a big role if you decide to start on something like this or the SV650 (any motorcycle, really, but moreso these, as you can get into trouble quicker). It is also the most expensive. I would recommend starting on a smaller used bike, and then trading up after a season.

As for 0-60 times, use google. I'm not your data monkey.

Top speed: GT250R (80-90mph), Buell Blast (80-90mph), the Katana, Ninja 650R, and SV650 will do well over 100mph, probably 120-130 maxed out. It might be a little less depending on conditions, but you shouldn't be going that fast anyway.
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#159 Unread post by TKDean » Sat May 05, 2007 6:59 am

i actually meant Suzuki GS500F (a little underpowered) not GS600F sorry.

im 5'10" about 190 pounds don't know about the inseam.

of all those bikes id still prefer the Katana. it looks great, has a nice riding position, and i can get a good used one for about 2-3 grand. but after reading about the dangers of 600cc bikes for noobs i m not so sure now. do you think it might be a little too powerful? i also think it might be a little too heavy for a first bike. however I've never ridden a bike before so i wouldn't know.

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#160 Unread post by Peter Y » Sat May 05, 2007 12:27 pm

TKDean wrote:i actually meant Suzuki GS500F (a little underpowered) not GS600F sorry.

im 5'10" about 190 pounds don't know about the inseam.

of all those bikes id still prefer the Katana. it looks great, has a nice riding position, and i can get a good used one for about 2-3 grand. but after reading about the dangers of 600cc bikes for noobs i m not so sure now. do you think it might be a little too powerful? i also think it might be a little too heavy for a first bike. however I've never ridden a bike before so i wouldn't know.
just get the Katana and be smart. I bought a Katana two months ago as my first bike and its great. Sporty yet conservative. Keep in mind it is heavy but im not a small guy either.

Good luck......

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