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#161 Unread post by Damian » Sun May 06, 2007 7:53 pm

Peter Y wrote:
TKDean wrote:i actually meant Suzuki GS500F (a little underpowered) not GS600F sorry.

im 5'10" about 190 pounds don't know about the inseam.

of all those bikes id still prefer the Katana. it looks great, has a nice riding position, and i can get a good used one for about 2-3 grand. but after reading about the dangers of 600cc bikes for noobs i m not so sure now. do you think it might be a little too powerful? i also think it might be a little too heavy for a first bike. however I've never ridden a bike before so i wouldn't know.
just get the Katana and be smart. I bought a Katana two months ago as my first bike and its great. Sporty yet conservative. Keep in mind it is heavy but im not a small guy either.

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I got a Katana 600 as my first bike a few months ago and I'd second what Peter just wrote. It is a little heavy, but after some practicing I can do u-turns and figure 8's without a problem. And it's lighter than many of the cruisers people here recommend for new riders. It does have some power, but it comes on predictably; it's not a super sport.
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#162 Unread post by Jadien » Mon May 07, 2007 2:31 am

I can speak for the GS500F not being underpowered....

I weigh aboout 265 on a good day, and my little Gaby took me from 50 to 100 in two shakes of a cat's tail..... I actually didn't notice as I was on the freeway for the first time and was more concerned with the traffic around me than my speed ("squid!"). Don't be concerned with the power issues, as people on here have reported: a Ninja 250 is faster than most cars, 0-60!
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#163 Unread post by Wrider » Tue May 08, 2007 12:01 am

Hey, when looking at horsepwer to weight ratios, keep in mind that my Volusia (50 horses, 50 ft/lbs of torque) weighed 550 lbs DRY. I weigh 300 lbs. So that's about 900 lbs overall. It'd still get me up to 60 faster than most cars out there. I always found it fun to cruise on Friday Saturday nights and pull up to the ricers/tuners. While they're revving at each other, look at them, blip the throttle, slam down the face shield, and kick their butts... :lol: Only ones I couldn't beat are the Neon SRT-4s, the Mitsu Evos, and the Suby WRXs...
Now bring into consideration that my friend on his 650R could beat the crap outta me without even trying...
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Oh, and with all that weight, the gearing ratio has a lot to do with it too, as the bike's top speed was about 100 MPH with the motor screaming (6K rpms)
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#164 Unread post by D675 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:28 pm

Against all advice, I recently bought a Triumph Daytona 675 as my first bike. In retrospect, I wish I had got something smaller but what's done is done. The throttle is crazy sensitive (especially on bumpy roads) but other than that things are going smooth, although sometimes I feel the gearbox and/or clutch plate take alot of beating due to my lack of experience.

Any riders out there in the same boat as me? Any tips, advice so I can stay alive another year?
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#165 Unread post by Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R » Wed May 23, 2007 4:34 pm

The article really opened my eyes. I was considering getting a Triumph Daytona 675 as my first bike, but now I now better. The dealers recommend 600cc bikes for beginners and that's how I got confused and I almost ignore everone's advice here. The thing is that asked 2 people about beginner bikes and they've both said that I should get a 200cc bike and wait about a year. If this was 2006, then I would have looking all over for 200cc-500cc bikes, but I don't have the time or patience to wait 2 years to get a better bike(I have an HDTV I have to pay off first or unless someone knows somebody that's selling a bike for around $300-$600). I know that taking multiple MSF classes won't help me be proficient on a 600cc bike, so , I've decided that I should not get a motorcyle and just get a car instead. I eventully like to ride one day though.
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#166 Unread post by tortus » Wed May 23, 2007 9:04 pm

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R wrote: The dealers recommend 600cc bikes for beginners and that's how I got confused and I almost ignore everone's advice here.
The dealers stand to make money off you, no one here does. Never trust someone who's in a position to get money from you, they will say whatever it takes.

I had a dealer flat out tell me a Buell Lightning x1 is an ideal beginners bike (it has a 1200cc engine and over 100hp!!)

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#167 Unread post by s0crates82 » Thu May 24, 2007 3:28 pm

So, yeah.

I'm 5'10, 30" inseam, 240lbs (sturdy build).

Would a Ninja 250 or 500 suit me?

Aesthetically, sportbikes and naked bikes have always appealed to me. Even though a Ninja 250 may be on the lower end of the power hierarchy, I can appreciate its lines, and it'll give me something to learn on before I step up in power/displacement.

I have yet to take the MSF course, get gear, my license, or a bike...

...but I'm studying up first.
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#168 Unread post by NightNurse » Thu May 24, 2007 3:31 pm

s0crates82 wrote:So, yeah.

I'm 5'10, 30" inseam, 240lbs (sturdy build).

Would a Ninja 250 or 500 suit me?

Aesthetically, sportbikes and naked bikes have always appealed to me. Even though a Ninja 250 may be on the lower end of the power hierarchy, I can appreciate its lines, and it'll give me something to learn on before I step up in power/displacement.

I have yet to take the MSF course, get gear, my license, or a bike...

...but I'm studying up first.
Go sit on one. My bf is 5'10, 200lbs, 30" inseam, and has ridden a Ninja 250 for a couple of years. He likes how he fits on it just fine!

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#169 Unread post by Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R » Thu May 24, 2007 9:38 pm

I've decided that I shouldn't give up on trying to ride a motorcycle because of time, but thanks to the article, I would like to get a beginner bike for around $1000. Can you guys help?
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#170 Unread post by jonnythan » Thu May 24, 2007 9:39 pm

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R wrote:I've decided that I shouldn't give up on trying to ride a motorcycle because of time, but thanks to the article, I would like to get a beginner bike for around $1000. Can you guys help?
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#171 Unread post by Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R » Thu May 24, 2007 9:49 pm

After I get my experience, I would like to get a 600, then a 1000(I ultimately want the Ducati 1098). If I started on a 600 and in the unlikely event that I rode it very well in a short amout of time, I would ended up selling it anyway. I figured that what's the point of getting started on a 600 if I'm going to sell it either way?
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#172 Unread post by tortus » Thu May 24, 2007 10:31 pm

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R wrote:After I get my experience, I would like to get a 600, then a 1000(I ultimately want the Ducati 1098).
Heh. Let's see if you still feel this way after you get your experience :)

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#173 Unread post by Wrider » Thu May 24, 2007 10:59 pm

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R wrote:After I get my experience, I would like to get a 600, then a 1000(I ultimately want the Ducati 1098). If I started on a 600 and in the unlikely event that I rode it very well in a short amout of time, I would ended up selling it anyway. I figured that what's the point of getting started on a 600 if I'm going to sell it either way?
Well, keep in mind those are three DIFFERENT bikes. The first two, the 600 and the 1K are similar in the way they are built, and that they are I-4 motors. The Duc 1098 puts out a little more than the 600, but is an L-Twin motor, which is a completely different animal than the I-4. More torque, less top end, but still enough to wow you.

The point on buying something that isn't what you ultimately want is that you can learn on it. Thrash it, learn on it, learn what you can and can't do on a more forgiving bike, then upgrade to the bike that you want.

If you are ultimately leaning toward the Duc, try for the Suzuki SV650S first. Then after riding that for a year or two, switch to the 1098 if you still want to.
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#174 Unread post by PioneerUrban » Mon May 28, 2007 10:11 am

Every new rider, should be required to read this!
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#175 Unread post by Jacky0612 » Thu May 31, 2007 11:45 pm

:o I think it's a good article.

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#176 Unread post by DivideOverflow » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:39 am

Wrider wrote: Well, keep in mind those are three DIFFERENT bikes. The first two, the 600 and the 1K are similar in the way they are built, and that they are I-4 motors. The Duc 1098 puts out a little more than the 600, but is an L-Twin motor, which is a completely different animal than the I-4. More torque, less top end, but still enough to wow you.

The point on buying something that isn't what you ultimately want is that you can learn on it. Thrash it, learn on it, learn what you can and can't do on a more forgiving bike, then upgrade to the bike that you want.

If you are ultimately leaning toward the Duc, try for the Suzuki SV650S first. Then after riding that for a year or two, switch to the 1098 if you still want to.
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Dude, the 1098 has 160hp (150 rwhp) and 90 ft-lbs of torque. In comparison, the Gixxer 1000 has about 175hp (162 rwhp) and 80 ft-lbs of torque. That is NOT that far off. Granted, a V-twin will feel different, but you are making it sound like the 1098 is somehow gimped in the top end due to it being a twin. Last time I checked, 150rwhp is WAY more than a 600. It is just a tad under the 1000cc I-4 bikes, but it has more torque.

The Ducati 1098 is a very, very, fast bike, and it should not be compared to a 600cc I-4 in any way. It definitely has the guts to compete with the japanese liter bikes.

That being said, I think the 1098 can only be appreciated by riders who have quite a few years of real sport riding experience. I'm definitely not anywhere near that point, and I don't consider myself a slouch. The best thing a new rider can do is start small and move up incrementally. You won't learn how to find the limits of a bike if you learn on bikes you are incapable of reaching the limits of.
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#177 Unread post by thume » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:08 am

PioneerUrban wrote:Every new rider, should be required to read this!
I'm very thankful I did. :)

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#178 Unread post by buckwheat15 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:10 pm

hey I was thinking about getting a gsxr 600 for my first bike I know its fast but I have been trail riding with my dirtbike for over 2 years do you think it is out of league?

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#179 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:13 pm

buckwheat15 wrote:hey I was thinking about getting a gsxr 600 for my first bike I know its fast but I have been trail riding with my dirtbike for over 2 years do you think it is out of league?
A little bit yeah. Though a 650 Twin wouldn't be an issue. Still, take the MSF if you havn't already.
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#180 Unread post by strohS » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:51 am

buckwheat15 wrote:hey I was thinking about getting a gsxr 600 for my first bike I know its fast but I have been trail riding with my dirtbike for over 2 years do you think it is out of league?
It is a nice bike, just take it easy that's all.

I have almost two years of dirtbiking, that's all, I just bought a R6 for a first bike.

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