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#201 Unread post by scooter12 » Wed May 15, 2013 9:51 pm

My Roketa Bali 250 will smoke any 600cc motorcycle out there.. You better watch yourselves, because you will be eating dust for lunch.. lol.. I am joking you all. No, my first scooter was a 49cc scooter and after 15 years of riding 49cc, I went to a 250cc scoot.. My next step is either a 250cc motorcycle or a 400cc Yamaha Majesty.. A lot of people loose their lives, by thinking they can just go to a 600cc bike without any real experience. A 400cc scooter will do approximently 110 mph.. That is fast for twist and go.. lol
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#202 Unread post by HYPERR » Sat May 18, 2013 5:36 pm

BRUMBEAR wrote:I have not read all the posts here but I can only say I am tired seeing kids get picked up off the pavement and adults who bought these machines because they were only 600's!!!! .
Actually the vast majority of the beginners being picked off the pavement are not kids on 600s but mid life crisis males 50+ years of age with no skills whatsoever that go out and buy Harleys and promptly crash them.
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#203 Unread post by Wrider » Sun May 19, 2013 1:17 am

Sadly enough that's true. It's a pretty good split here though. We have a ton of military, so we have the "Holy crap I have money from my sign on bonus, I just got trained to think I'm invincible, and I'm on my own for the first time, so I'm gonna buy a crotch rocket." We also have a ton of retired military, so we have a ton of the "Holy crap my kids are gone, I've got disposable income, and I've always wanted a motorcycle but I could never have one before, so I'm gonna go be a weekend warrior with my buddies!".
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#204 Unread post by BRUMBEAR » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:27 pm

I won't disagree with this as I have seen my fair share of both!!! The older guys here NJ seem to favor Harley or Ducati as they tend to have much more disposable income I'll wager, but either way I am afraid you are very spot on!!
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#205 Unread post by porterhouse16 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:47 am

I am a noob who inherited a very small cc motorcycle. I prefer vintage Japanese motorcycles. I am in the market for an upgrade and have been consider in a 1981 suzuki GS1000g. Any opinions? Comment?Anything?

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#206 Unread post by Johnj » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:20 pm

Hello Brandon and welcome to the forum. I looked in the dictionary under Vintage Japanese Motorcycle and there was a picture of a 72 Honda CL100. I would limit myself to a 50bhp/500lb bike for your first bike. Intro yourself and show a picture of that sweet cl100.
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#207 Unread post by Hanson » Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:30 am

Brandon,

Welcome to Total Motorcycle.

One motorcycle you might be interested in owning is a Yamaha's 2015 SR400. This is a very cool Japanese retro bike for those that are longing for a rock solid dependable UJM.

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#208 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:11 pm

Hi Brandon,

As Johnj and Hanson suggested, I'd go for something smaller than the 1100 as your first bike. I'm a real fan of Vintage bikes and the 1981 Suzuki's were not great (well the engines were, but the electrics were horrible) even back in the day. I owned a GS550 myself and that was more wrench than ride let me tell you! As Hanson suggested, the new Yamaha 400 is awesome, and even has a kick start!

If you are REALLY, really, really, stuck on wrenching in the garage on a 25+ year old bike, try a Honda or Kawasaki of that era, best you can do for reliability.

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#209 Unread post by NORTY » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:34 am

A new rider that buys a 600 supersport will develop more slowly than a rider that gets a "more forgiving" motorcycle.

Imagine learning "clutch control" on a YZF/ZX/CBR/GSXR....
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#210 Unread post by HYPERR » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:30 pm

NORTY wrote:A new rider that buys a 600 supersport will develop more slowly than a rider that gets a "more forgiving" motorcycle.

Imagine learning "clutch control" on a YZF/ZX/CBR/GSXR....
600 sportbike is actually a very forgiving motorcyle. It is far more forgiving that many of the bikes that these so called experts are suggesting.

Learning clutch control on these bikes with its smooth and super predictable clutch is very easy.

I am willing to bet that the majority of the people posting on this thread have never even ridden a 600 sportbike.
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#211 Unread post by ceemes » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:09 am

HYPERR wrote:
NORTY wrote:A new rider that buys a 600 supersport will develop more slowly than a rider that gets a "more forgiving" motorcycle.

Imagine learning "clutch control" on a YZF/ZX/CBR/GSXR....
600 sportbike is actually a very forgiving motorcyle. It is far more forgiving that many of the bikes that these so called experts are suggesting.

Learning clutch control on these bikes with its smooth and super predictable clutch is very easy.

I am willing to bet that the majority of the people posting on this thread have never even ridden a 600 sportbike.
ahem.....Kawasaki GPz1100, the fuel injected precursor of the Ninja's. Still say anyone jumping on a 600RR as their first bike is a statistic looking for a place to happen.
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#212 Unread post by HYPERR » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:47 am

ceemes wrote: ahem.....Kawasaki GPz1100, the fuel injected precursor of the Ninja's.
The power delivery of the GPZ1100 is completely different from that of a 600 Supersport, not even close. The big bore GPZs were nothing like the 600 supersports. They were very heavy, big, and unforgiving bikes and ride nothing like the 600 supersports.
Still say anyone jumping on a 600RR as their first bike is a statistic looking for a place to happen.
Show me the statistic. I am not saying your side of the argument is wrong per se, but having ridden and owned everything from two strokes to Gold Wings to just about everything in between (singles, twins, triples, fours, and sixes) on dirt, street, snow, and for hundreds of thousands of miles; and yes including extensive saddle time on various 600 supersports, I am skeptical on this.

I continue to see these "expert" opinions and assertions made by people of somewhat dubious qualifications; which many of them have suggested much less forgiving bikes like the naked SV650 (have any of these people even ridden a SV650?). I bet most of them have never riddent a SV or a 600 supersport.

I'm not putting you in the above category ceemes as I know you are an established rider who has riddent many bikes over many decades. That said, show me the stat here. I think the burden of proof is not on the dissenter but on the side that made the original bold assertion.
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#213 Unread post by Jamers! » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:49 pm

I have only ridden a race replica bike a few times and it was a few years ago. But i would say that the clutch is fine, it engages smoothly and early on. The issue i found then and would bet that this is where the issue is is the control of the throttle. Anyone not used to a clutch andor not used to a bike may have a tough time getting the right amount of gas needed to get going, this is an issue when learning clutch on bikes or cars. I believe that the most common thing people do on both vehicles when they hear the putter is to gas it more, usually much more to avoid the stall. No biggy if it is a jeep wrangler or an ex250. It will lurch forward and you may have to brake a bit but generally not a disaster. If you start to engage a clutch on a very peppy very strong RR and you start to mess up and give it oodles or extra gas you are going to seriously jump forward. That sudden movement is bad enough, what if you are suppose to be turning, what if you are going to be going uphill or downhill? combine that with the unexpected and unwanted rapid movement and the novice rider is in most situations going to have a moment of panic. That panic and impulsive decision is likely to not be the right one.

Yes, sport bikes are very well made, the clutches are easy to engage are smooth, the brakes responsive to a T and all that. The issue has always been, new riders will make mistakes and those mistakes will be less damning if done on a slower, smaller more manageable set of wheels.
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#214 Unread post by asher » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:49 am

that video was funny qwerty :laughing:

the OP post is good though.!!! some people and youtubers who started on bigger bikes says its not hard. but when I see their videos, they look so awkward riding and are more afraid to go faster or turn effectively.

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#215 Unread post by BitGid » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:31 am

This is just my opinion, but I think that anyone who wishes to ride on the street should consider learning how to ride off-road first. This way, the concepts involved in controlling a bike can become second nature BEFORE sticking your neck out in traffic.

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#216 Unread post by Ydendhahe » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:07 am

BitGid wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:31 am
This is just my opinion, but I think that anyone who wishes to ride on the street should consider learning how to ride off-road first. This way, the concepts involved in controlling a bike can become second nature BEFORE sticking your neck out in traffic.
I agree with you...it will be better to all.
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