what should have my budy done differently ... obsticles

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what should have my budy done differently ... obsticles

#1 Unread post by tanitatt » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:23 am

Okay, so a case of the blind leading the blind ... a coworker of mine told me that he too took the MSF course and bought a bike. Cool, so we're out riding this past Sunday have a really good time, and then on a pretty empty road doing about 55 there's an 8 foot long 2 by 4 accross the road. He's in front and see's it first. Luckily for me, I see him max braking and so I start mine early enough to actually stop before I hit the 2 by 4, unfortunatly, he doesn't.

Luckily the damage to him and the bike is not severe, and we decide to head back home after of course move the wood off the road and picking up mirrors and turn signal parts.

So, what should he have done differently? Talking about the incident afterwords, we came up with a theory. Perhaps easing off on the brakes just before hitting the 2x4 allowing the shocks time to uncompress, because he felt that he had already bottomed out before hitting.

Oh well. Ride safe everyone, and wear all your gear.

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#2 Unread post by big_ry_ry » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:38 am

To be honest i would have dropped it in a lower gear and gave some gas to get the front wheel off so the impact was on the rear more than the front.

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#3 Unread post by big_ry_ry » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:46 am

UNEVEN SURFACES AND OBSTACLES
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Watch for uneven surfaces such as bumps, broken pavement, potholes, or small pieces of highway trash.

Try to avoid obstacles by slowing or going around them. If you must go over the obstacle, first, determine if it is possible. Approach it at as close to a 90º angle as possible. Look where you want to go to control your path of travel. If you have to ride over the obstacle, you should:

Slow down as much as possible before contact.
Make sure the motorcycle is straight.
Rise slightly off the seat with your weight on the footpegs to absorb the shock with your knees and elbows, and avoid being thrown off the motorcycle.
Just before contact, roll on the throttle slightly to lighten the front end.
If you ride over an object on the street, pull off the road and check your tires and rims for damage before riding any farther.




This is off the DMV study book for NYS

http://www.nysdmv.com/mcmanual/ride_within.htm

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#4 Unread post by roscowgo » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:52 am

depends on where exactly the board was.

if it was a straight shot i would have tried to roll over it if i couldnt stop.

if it was in a curve where it would have slid out from under me..... i woulda tried to ride over it. and then picked up the turn signals :D

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#5 Unread post by jonnythan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:01 am

I wouldn't have tried to stop. I would have simply swung around it if possible.

If not, I would have slowed down and dropped a gear or two, but blipped the throttle as the front wheel went over.

We rode over 2x4s in my MSF class. It's no big deal. You just ride right over em.
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#6 Unread post by tanitatt » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:45 am

The road we were on was a two lane back road and the board was at a slight angle, but pretty much stretched from one side to the other.

I suspect that if we spent more time scanning the road as opposed to pointing out cool scenery, we would have seen the 2x4 earlier.

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#7 Unread post by jonnythan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:21 am

tanitatt wrote:The road we were on was a two lane back road and the board was at a slight angle, but pretty much stretched from one side to the other.

I suspect that if we spent more time scanning the road as opposed to pointing out cool scenery, we would have seen the 2x4 earlier.

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Was your buddy on the brakes as he hit the 2x4? That would cause him to go down.

What he should have done was slowed down a bit, aimed squarely for the 2x4, and blipped the throttle slightly as his front tire hit it.

You guys should bring a 2x4 to a parking lot somewhere and practice this. I'm surprised you didn't do it in MSF. I did.
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#8 Unread post by Big B » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:24 am

tanitatt wrote:I suspect that if we spent more time scanning the road as opposed to pointing out cool scenery, we would have seen the 2x4 earlier.
that probably would have helped :laughing: sounds like your buddy panicked a bit, a 2X4 isn't that bad to ride over at the angle you describe, you've just got to be ready for it, and then after you've hit the damn thing, pull over and make sure you didn't break something
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#9 Unread post by migbike » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:23 pm

jonnythan wrote:Was your buddy on the brakes as he hit the 2x4? That would cause him to go down.

What he should have done was slowed down a bit, aimed squarely for the 2x4, and blipped the throttle slightly as his front tire hit it.

You guys should bring a 2x4 to a parking lot somewhere and practice this. I'm surprised you didn't do it in MSF. I did.
Yeah I did that in my MSF too.... they also told us to lift our butts off the seat as we did it and use our legs as shock absorbers.

The first one was a little nerve racking, but after that it was fun. I was catching air on the little suzuki 250...

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#10 Unread post by tanitatt » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:35 pm

Yeah, we didn't do that in my MSF course. And yeah, he was on full brakes when he went over the 2x4

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#11 Unread post by Shorts » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:53 pm

tanitatt wrote:Yeah, we didn't do that in my MSF course. And yeah, he was on full brakes when he went over the 2x4

Thomas
That woud do it. Like everyone said above, he should have braked enough and when he got close he should have released the brakes, blip of throttle then rode it out.

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#12 Unread post by sharpmagna » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:36 pm

yeah this scenario was covered in our MSF course. Riding over a 2x4 is not a big deal (hell, I've gone over pot holes bigger!). Essentially he did everything wrong, not trying to be a jerk but just pointing it out.

You try to aim yourself to the obstacle so you are going to hit it straight on. Raise your bum slightly off the seat and support yourself with your legs with your feet on the pegs. Right before you hit the obstacle give it a little gas (this transfers the weight to the rear and lightens the front so it goes over the obstacle easier). Then let go of the gas when the front wheel clears the obstacle so this transfers the weight to the front wheel and lightens the rear wheel to make it easier for it to go over the obstacle.

At our MSF course we ran over multiple 2x4s arranged in different angles and everyone got over it without issues. Of course these were limited to parking lot speeds, but I hope you get the idea.
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