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#1 Unread post by Brackstone » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:29 pm

Hey Guys,

New Rider here and I'm signed up for my MVS course it'll happen sometime in August. Very excited to finally be able to get out onto the road on my 750cc bike! Just kidding :) I read the 600cc sport bike thread and that's how I felt all along, despite the recommendations of most of my personal friends telling me to get 500cc or more because I'll just get "bored" with the bike in a week or two. I have a lovely fiance and a wonderful future ahead so I'd rather play it safe.

So on to the question:

I'm curious what constitutes "dumping" your bike. I'm assuming it's different than an accident because otherwise everyone would just say they had an accident. One of my friends got his motorcycle license dumped his new bike, and now I've heard he doesn't ride it anymore at all!

Could someone define what "dumping" is and what some of the most common causes are?

Thanks! :)

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#2 Unread post by Sev » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:47 pm

Dumping is dropping the bike while moving... or standing still... depending on who uses the term.

See also: laying it down, low siding, tipping, high siding, crashing, offroad excursion, oops, "fudge", god damnit, noooooooo, cry, ouchy, mistake, not my fault.

Common causes are - rider mistake, poor road conditions, other vehicles, aliens, animals, paranormal activity, "I have no idea why, it just happened."
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#3 Unread post by ShadowGrrl » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:10 pm

Some common causes for dumping a bike...

1) Forgetting to put sidestand down (done that!)
2) Stopping with the bars turned (done that at the BRC during the box exercise....oops)
3) gravel/sand/etc on road on a turn, making the rear wheel skid out a little
4) stalling the bike and freaking out
5) crowned roads....putting a foot down during a stop and realizing that the ground is a little farther down than expected, and the bike tips over and you can't save it (done that, too!)
6) Rider ego....trying to ride beyond his or her skill level
7) starting on hills sometimes result in people dumping

There's alot more, but I can't think of any more "common" ones.

One time I was at a stop light in the left turn only lane, and a car turning right into the lane next to me, took his turn really wide, and almost ran over my left foot. I was startled and tried to move my left foot out of the way, but in the process my right boot slipped and I couldn't stop my bike from tipping over. It was like in slow motion....I stepped away from the bike and let it drop. Luckily I was riding my Ninja 250 (instead of my Shadow) and was able to pick her back up.
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#4 Unread post by ceemes » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:57 pm

ShadowGrrl wrote:Some common causes for dumping a bike...

1) Forgetting to put sidestand down (done that!)
2) Stopping with the bars turned (done that at the BRC during the box exercise....oops)
3) gravel/sand/etc on road on a turn, making the rear wheel skid out a little
4) stalling the bike and freaking out
5) crowned roads....putting a foot down during a stop and realizing that the ground is a little farther down than expected, and the bike tips over and you can't save it (done that, too!)
6) Rider ego....trying to ride beyond his or her skill level
7) starting on hills sometimes result in people dumping

There's alot more, but I can't think of any more "common" ones.

One time I was at a stop light in the left turn only lane, and a car turning right into the lane next to me, took his turn really wide, and almost ran over my left foot. I was startled and tried to move my left foot out of the way, but in the process my right boot slipped and I couldn't stop my bike from tipping over. It was like in slow motion....I stepped away from the bike and let it drop. Luckily I was riding my Ninja 250 (instead of my Shadow) and was able to pick her back up.
Coming out of a driveway after just it stopped raining after long hot spell, crossing to the other side of the road, and punching it just as your rear tyre hits the double yellow while your are still in your turn.............and end up landing flat on your back........guilty.
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#5 Unread post by ShadowGrrl » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:14 pm

ceemes wrote: Coming out of a driveway after just it stopped raining after long hot spell, crossing to the other side of the road, and punching it just as your rear tyre hits the double yellow while your are still in your turn.............and end up landing flat on your back........guilty.
Ah yes! The "Wet road paint" dump! Haven't done that yet *knock wood*
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#6 Unread post by matthew5656 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:41 am

I made a turn over a double yellow line the other night and almost skidded the rear tire! They are slick even when it's practically dry, so I'm sure they're brutal after some rain.

Be careful out there!

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#7 Unread post by Ian522 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:00 am

ShadowGrrl wrote:Some common causes for dumping a bike...

1) Forgetting to put sidestand down (done that!)
2) Stopping with the bars turned (done that at the BRC during the box exercise....oops)
3) gravel/sand/etc on road on a turn, making the rear wheel skid out a little
4) stalling the bike and freaking out
5) crowned roads....putting a foot down during a stop and realizing that the ground is a little farther down than expected, and the bike tips over and you can't save it (done that, too!)
6) Rider ego....trying to ride beyond his or her skill level
7) starting on hills sometimes result in people dumping
Im guilty of #1 and #2. Almost got taken out by a #3 but was able to recover.

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#8 Unread post by Brackstone » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:33 am

ShadowGrrl wrote:
ceemes wrote: Coming out of a driveway after just it stopped raining after long hot spell, crossing to the other side of the road, and punching it just as your rear tyre hits the double yellow while your are still in your turn.............and end up landing flat on your back........guilty.
Ah yes! The "Wet road paint" dump! Haven't done that yet *knock wood*
That's interesting, glad I'm taking the Safety Course one more thing I wouldn't have known! Is this also true for the white dotted lines that divide up the lanes?

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#9 Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:37 am

ShadowGrrl wrote:Some common causes for dumping a bike...

1) Forgetting to put sidestand down (done that!)
2) Stopping with the bars turned (done that at the BRC during the box exercise....oops)
3) gravel/sand/etc on road on a turn, making the rear wheel skid out a little
4) stalling the bike and freaking out
5) crowned roads....putting a foot down during a stop and realizing that the ground is a little farther down than expected, and the bike tips over and you can't save it (done that, too!)
6) Rider ego....trying to ride beyond his or her skill level
7) starting on hills sometimes result in people dumping
Falling over at a stoplight because you forgot that you'd just taken the sidecar off that morning.

Didn't happen to me, though. It was a friend. Yeah, that's it... a friend. :oops:
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#10 Unread post by tropicalhotdog » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:50 am

ShadowGrrl wrote:Some common causes for dumping a bike...

1) Forgetting to put sidestand down (done that!)
2) Stopping with the bars turned (done that at the BRC during the box exercise....oops)
3) gravel/sand/etc on road on a turn, making the rear wheel skid out a little
4) stalling the bike and freaking out
5) crowned roads....putting a foot down during a stop and realizing that the ground is a little farther down than expected, and the bike tips over and you can't save it (done that, too!)
6) Rider ego....trying to ride beyond his or her skill level
7) starting on hills sometimes result in people dumping

There's alot more, but I can't think of any more "common" ones.

One time I was at a stop light in the left turn only lane, and a car turning right into the lane next to me, took his turn really wide, and almost ran over my left foot. I was startled and tried to move my left foot out of the way, but in the process my right boot slipped and I couldn't stop my bike from tipping over. It was like in slow motion....I stepped away from the bike and let it drop. Luckily I was riding my Ninja 250 (instead of my Shadow) and was able to pick her back up.
#8 - Looking down at the ground or at your wheels or handlebars while turning. My wrestling coach in high school used to always say "Where the head goes the body will always follow, usually (Marie Antoinette being an exception)." On a bike, where the eyes go the bike will follow, usually. Look down, you'll probably go down.
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#11 Unread post by Flesher » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:17 am

I had my bike up on a paddock stand to fix a rear flat, when I put the wheel back on I lowered the bike with the side stand still up ... down she went.

Also, wet manhole covers, or those that have sunk below the road surface, if you are in a turn, down you'll go. I wouldn't know though ...

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#12 Unread post by Longshot » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:23 am

Moving your bike in your garage by walking next to it (like the guys in the bike store do) instead of sitting on it.

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#13 Unread post by Super Dave » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:56 am

I don't feel so bad about ALMOST dumping my bike. But yeah, parking the bike will probably result in a dump in my case. :oops:
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#14 Unread post by Brackstone » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:27 am

Oh I forgot to thank everyone for their replies. Some of them are giving me a good laugh today!

I've now secretly started building a list so if I ever dump my bike and my Fiance notices a new scratch and says "What'd you do this time!?" I can look on the inside of my helmet and see which ones I crossed off already.

I dunno if she'll buy "aliens" though so that might go lower on the list :)

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#15 Unread post by ShadowGrrl » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:10 pm

Brackstone wrote: I dunno if she'll buy "aliens" though so that might go lower on the list :)
"Gremlins".....make sure you use the "gremlins" excuse! :wink:
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#16 Unread post by Brackstone » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:11 pm

ShadowGrrl wrote:
Brackstone wrote: I dunno if she'll buy "aliens" though so that might go lower on the list :)
"Gremlins".....make sure you use the "gremlins" excuse! :wink:
LOL

This reminds me of those new progressive commercials. Have you seen them?

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#17 Unread post by ShadowGrrl » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:23 pm

I caught a little bit of the new Progressive commercials...pretty funny!

Its more believable to tell the wife that your sidestand was stolen by road gremlins than expecting her to believe the alien bit. :wink: :laughing:
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#18 Unread post by Jas0n » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:33 pm

Ground is wet and soggy.. trying to back your bike up slightly uphill onto pavement. Giving it one big tug and the bike just slowly tips over. It doesn't stop tipping over no matter how much force I give it to try and bring it back up. Its almost as if theres an invisible force pushing it down harder.

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#19 Unread post by Brackstone » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:39 pm

Jas0n wrote: ...Its almost as if theres an invisible force pushing it down harder.
As a new rider I always felt this way when I listened to some stories about people dumping their bikes. I'm always like, well why didn't you just put your foot down and stop it? :)

How much does the average bike way anyway? Do people's legs get pinned under their bike sometimes when they dump it?

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#20 Unread post by Septimus » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:51 pm

A light sportbike like a Ninja weighs around 400 pounds with gas (the 500 is a little more than 400, I think the 250 is a little under it). The weight is one of the reasons why it is recommended as a starter bike - because it's easier to handle, easier to catch from dropping, and easier to pick up if you do drop it.

Cruisers weigh significantly more (with a couple exceptions) and the bigger bikes can get to be 800 or even 1000 lbs.

One of the things I cured myself of very rapidly was the impulse I had from bicycling to put my foot down to help support the bike while I was stopping. On a light bike like mine you can do that in an emergency, but you'll be feeling it for days and it's terrible for your legs and back. On a bigger bike you can seriously injure yourself -- one of the things the MSF course harps on is that you only put your foot down when you're stopped. Not slowing, not nearly stopped, but pretty much at the last moment. Remember force = mass * acceleration, and if your bike has a huge mass, even a little bit of forward momentum can hurt!

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