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Just registered for the MSF class!

#1 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:42 am

Like the title says, I just registered for BRC course held by the WV MSP.
Its on the weekend of April 24th.


At first there was only 1 spot open on Mother's Day weekend, so I couldn't do that one. The earlier 2 classes were already full.

So I've been checking everyday to see if someone withdrew and finally someone did.

I'm already excited!

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#2 Unread post by Brackstone » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:28 pm

When I took the MSF the instructor said

"This is a question I always ask because it's fun, how many of you told your mother that you were coming here"

Only 1 person raised their hand.
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#3 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:27 pm

Lol I've told my dad about it.
He rode alot when he was young and I think up untill the time I was born.

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#4 Unread post by MTexile » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:22 am

Good Luck and have fun!
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#5 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:12 am

I know I still have a month to go before my class, but I can't seem to get a grip on the "Look where you want to go" concept.

I hear people say that if you look at the curb in a turn you'll likely hit it.

Does that concept really only apply when you're out in the open. Meaning that doesn't happen when you're driving a car does it?

When I was younger, before I was old enough to get my license, I would ride bicycle with my pals almost 203 miles everyday. Maybe I just got used to it then and don't realize it now?

Thanks guys, this board is really great and the knowledge held here is incredible!

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#6 Unread post by Wrider » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:04 am

You'd be surprised, it does happen in a car too! Especially in the snow and reduced traction situations.
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#7 Unread post by NNYrider » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:41 pm

When driving a car you are usually physically 'fixed' in one position. Turning your head does not typically cause much, if any, change in body alignment. In addition, the turning radius of a car is measured in YARDS. A U-turn on a residential street is an impossibility. We have to do three point turns...

Bikes are capable of significantly tighter turns. The turning radius of many bikes in but a few feet. The little Rebels, GZ250's and others used in the MSF class can be turned in as little as 10 or 12 feet (rather than the 35-45 feet of a car). This requires MUCH greater head turn. (Fear not. You will NOT be asked to turn that tightly in class! :) ).

In addition a nice big head turn frequently causes some twisting of the upper body. This can help the turn.

There are two 'issues' regarding head turns and looking. One is target fixation. Stare at the curb, hit the curb. Stare at the huge gaping pot hole, hit the huge gaping pothole. It's best to train yourself to look not at the threat but at the escape route. The bike has a tendency to want to go where you look (for a whole host of reasons).

Secondly, if you want to turn left but look ahead, how can you evaluate the road conditions to the left???

There are many things about motorcycling that don't seem to make sense, or are at least somewhat difficult to explain. The head turn is one of them. There is no need to understand why (the physics of motorcycles can be mind boggling). Just do it! Set your speed up, turn your whole head to face your intended direction -even if that means twisting around to look over your shoulder. It helps a LOT on tight turns...

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#8 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:32 pm

Thanks for the insight guys!

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#9 Unread post by wrecks » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:51 am

Have fun and good luck! :D
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#10 Unread post by JDawg117 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:13 pm

2 days ago I signed up to take the MSF course at a local community college. I'm going this weekend. Booyah!
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#11 Unread post by tymanthius » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:22 pm

For the 'look where you want to be' go practice on a bicycle. Preferably an old heavy one so you have a chance of noticing that you're muscling it to avoid going where you look.

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#12 Unread post by PioneerUrban » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:22 pm

Cool!

I just signed up to take the BRC for the second time. I have my endorsement and I took the class four years ago at WVU-P. I just haven't riden that much at all. So, I'm really nervous when I'm on my bike. I think retaking the class again is smart choice on my part.

My class is on June 26th in Marietta, Ohio. The class is only $25 in Ohio, vs $100 here in West Virginia.
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#13 Unread post by redb1ker » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:47 pm

The classes will be booked way out pretty soon. Sign up for the first available class and show up the first day of the next class they are giving. If you let the instructor know you are there and someone doesn't show up by the end of the first video they will probably put you into that class so that they have a full class for that weekend. Also if they have more than one site and the class you are at all shows, you may ask the instructor to call their other sites to make sure that all the other classes filled. Sometimes you may have to drive a little bit to get to another site for the rest of the weekend but, they will be happy to have a full class and you will get your class sooner. So what they do is run you through the classroom work the first night at the site you are at and then you go to the site that had the opening the next day. Just a little industry secret.
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#14 Unread post by shalihe74 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:24 pm

WVUbdsrfl wrote:I know I still have a month to go before my class, but I can't seem to get a grip on the "Look where you want to go" concept.

I hear people say that if you look at the curb in a turn you'll likely hit it.

Does that concept really only apply when you're out in the open. Meaning that doesn't happen when you're driving a car does it?
This most definitely does apply when driving a car, as well, and it also very much applies to crowded trafficky situations.

As someone else pointed out, there are two things with the 'look where you want to go'. First, by keeping your head and eyes up, looking far far far ahead of you, you are increasing your field of vision. You can see more when you look out at the horizion than you can if you look down at the ground/hood ornament/etc.

Looking far ahead also changes your perception of speed. Try it sometime... when you're on a long straight road, look down at the lane lines and see how it feels like they are flying by; then look at the horizon and see how it feels like it takes forever to get there.

That sense of slowing down - combined with the increased vision - is a good thing. If you've been looking far enough ahead, you have already gotten a sense of what is coming and you don't need to look at it any more.

The opposite is, essentially, target fixation. Target fixation occurs when you look at something that is relatively close and your brain goes "OH MY GOD THAT <pole, guard rail, drop-off, SUV, etc.> IS FLYING AT ME!!" There are typically two outcomes at that point: hit the brakes/slow down or panic, freeze and hit the object in front of you.

Soooo... how does this apply to turning your head and cornering? Well, if the idea is to 'keep your head and eyes up' and to 'look where you are going', then when you are cornering, in order to look where you are going, you have to turn your head. :)

Try it in your cage sometime. Find a curve and force yourself to look at the place where the lane line vanishes from sight as you go through. You'll find that you're faster and smoother. When you've gotten in the habit, do it with a passenger for even more fun - they'll fixate and freak out at how fast you're going.
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#15 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:22 pm

Hey guys,
I'm really excited for the class, less then 2 weeks left!
The bike bug is definitely biting me hard, especially with all the nice weather we've been having and seeing other out on their bikes.

I have another question about the class though.
You're required to wear a long sleeve jacket or t-shirt for outdoor part of the class.
I have a light duty zip up Carhart jacket, would that be fine or should I try to find something else?

Thanks all!

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#16 Unread post by LS1GOAT » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:41 am

Anything with long sleeves will work. My advice is to bring layers (including rain gear) even if you don't think you'll need them.

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#17 Unread post by RockBottom » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:32 pm

WVUbdsrfl wrote: When I was younger, before I was old enough to get my license, I would ride bicycle with my pals almost 203 miles everyday.
Seriously? That's more than professionals training for the Tour de France. I used to ride 20 a day.
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#18 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:32 am

RockBottom wrote: Seriously? That's more than professionals training for the Tour de France. I used to ride 20 a day.
Ha! No, that's a mistake. I had meant to put a hyphen, so it should've been 2-3 miles.
I can't believe I missed that. :laughing:

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#19 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:15 am

My class starts tomorrow, wooo!

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#20 Unread post by WVUbdsrfl » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:38 pm

Holy cow I had such a blast out on the range today!!
I was riding a nighthawk, which is what most of the class had.

I now understand the look where you go concept. :lol:

I felt like I was doing pretty well, I was a little hesitant with swerving and quick stopping at first but got the hang of it. I think the exercise I enjoyed the most was cornering using Slow Look Press Roll. It's so much fun to get on the throttle as you come out of the turn.

I found I sometimes over thought the skills and things where much easier if I just let them happen, so to speak.

I'll be honest, I felt really cool looking at my reflection in the tank while sitting on the seat. :laughing:

Can't wait for tomorrow!!

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