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Re: The Blog of Blues

#1381 Unread post by Hanson » Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:23 am

Blues,

I think the DL1000 has the hydraulic clutch, but the DL650A does not. I am quite certain that my 2014 DL650A has a cable at the clutch lever. It is the 2015 DL650A that is available in Blues blue, at least in the states. Canadian colours might be different than the colors available in the US.

Suzuki has also expanded the V-Strom line this year and is now offering a DL1000 that has sporty luggage that I think looks great and a new DL650A XT that has a beak and wire wheals. Suzuki may have made other changes for 2015. I have had a sit on a 2014 DL1000 and it looked like wind management was going to be an even bigger problem than on the 650. I think Suzuki is offering models with body work designed for the marketing department instead of for rider comfort.

In any event, I hope you find a moto that is a great fit for you ergonomically and allows you to ride wherever you want to ride. If you like the bike, but it has a few problems, I would recommend making a few notes and then asking for help on stromtrooper.com. The depth of knowledge available on that site for these bikes is fantastic and it might be that any issues that you have are easily corrected.

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#1382 Unread post by blues2cruise » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:53 pm

You might be right.....there was also a 1000 on the floor. It was white. It had the same accessories as that 650 blue one.

I'm going to go look on the weekend.
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#1383 Unread post by blues2cruise » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:09 pm

I went to the Suzuki shop today. Their demo bike was gone. So no test ride today. Someone bought the demo bike.

Anyway.....I got some questions answered....

Although the 650 V-Strom has a cable clutch, it is actually a light clutch...I asked about chain maintenance and decided I could probably handle a chain drive if I got a chain drive bike. The rep there showed me what is involved and explained how to do it....

The one they have in the shop is a 2014....a white one...fully kitted....If it sells before spring, there is the 2015 blue ones coming in.

Anyway...that's the start of my research....
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#1384 Unread post by Hanson » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:35 pm

This sounds like a good start.

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Re: The Blog of Blues

#1385 Unread post by sv-wolf » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:11 pm

Hi Blues

A new bike on the horizon, eh? Exciting.

I've pasted a link, below, to a British DL650 owner's site. I don't know if this is of any use to you since there may be slight differences in the bikes, but when I was considering buying one, I found the people on the forums to be very knowledgeable and both friendly and helpful. (They even set out to persuade me that, as much as they loved it, the DL650 was *not* the best bike for the job I wanted it to do, and gave me loads of advice on alternatives.) Being a UK site there is lots of banter, but a wealth of information as well. If nothing else it will give you another angle on the bike.

DL650s are called V-Stroms in the UK - I'm not sure if it is the same over there with you.

http://www.v-strom.co.uk/

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#1386 Unread post by blues2cruise » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:22 pm

Thank you. Yes, they are also called V-Strom's in Canada.

I won't know for sure until I get to test ride one....

Thanks for the link.
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Re: The Blog of Blues

#1387 Unread post by jstark47 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:58 pm

Hanson wrote:I think the DL1000 has the hydraulic clutch, but the DL650A does not.
Yes, DL1000 is a hydraulic clutch
blues2cruise wrote:Although the 650 V-Strom has a cable clutch, it is actually a light clutch...
Glad to hear that because the DL1000 clutch is decidedly NOT light. It's a pain (literally) to get stuck in a traffic jam on that bike.
blues2cruise wrote:I asked about chain maintenance and decided I could probably handle a chain drive if I got a chain drive bike. The rep there showed me what is involved and explained how to do it....
With modern chains, this is really not a big deal. I clean and lube mine.... infrequently...... and they're fine, my bikes' chains have lasted 10's of thousands of miles. One very helpful thing though is a center stand- if the bike doesn't come with one, have the dealer install one. Makes the little bit of chain maintenance needed even easier.
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Re: The Blog of Blues

#1388 Unread post by blues2cruise » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:20 am

jstark47 wrote:
Hanson wrote:I think the DL1000 has the hydraulic clutch, but the DL650A does not.
Yes, DL1000 is a hydraulic clutch
blues2cruise wrote:Although the 650 V-Strom has a cable clutch, it is actually a light clutch...
Glad to hear that because the DL1000 clutch is decidedly NOT light. It's a pain (literally) to get stuck in a traffic jam on that bike.
blues2cruise wrote:I asked about chain maintenance and decided I could probably handle a chain drive if I got a chain drive bike. The rep there showed me what is involved and explained how to do it....
With modern chains, this is really not a big deal. I clean and lube mine.... infrequently...... and they're fine, my bikes' chains have lasted 10's of thousands of miles. One very helpful thing though is a center stand- if the bike doesn't come with one, have the dealer install one. Makes the little bit of chain maintenance needed even easier.
The heavy clutch on my cruiser is one of the reasons I'm changing to a different bike. My 650 V-Star was so easy....It was the fellow in the shop who suggested I compare the 650 and the 1000. The 650 had enough free play that the hand doesn't have to exert pressure for the whole distance. It was significantly easier than the 1000.

Also regarding chain maintenance...unless I've been riding in the rain....it most likely won't need any maintenance from me...it will get maintained every time I take it in for service.
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Re: The Blog of Blues

#1389 Unread post by High_Side » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:43 am

My first time back here in a while and now Blues is looking at getting a new bike! Hopefully you can get a demo on a V-Strom before buying it. They are great bikes and I have never heard anyone say anything bad about them, but it's always nice to try before you buy - especially when it is so radically different than what you are currently riding.

Good luck with the shopping.

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#1390 Unread post by blues2cruise » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:00 pm

High_Side wrote:My first time back here in a while and now Blues is looking at getting a new bike! Hopefully you can get a demo on a V-Strom before buying it. They are great bikes and I have never heard anyone say anything bad about them, but it's always nice to try before you buy - especially when it is so radically different than what you are currently riding.

Good luck with the shopping.
Thanks. I'll get a demo...it's just that they sold the one they had. I'll wait until Spring...they'll have another then.
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#1391 Unread post by dr_bar » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:08 pm

There may even be a Scott oiler that fits that bike...
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Re: The Blog of Blues

#1392 Unread post by sv-wolf » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:23 pm

blues2cruise wrote:
Also regarding chain maintenance...unless I've been riding in the rain....it most likely won't need any maintenance from me...it will get maintained every time I take it in for service.

Hi blues. I developed an angels and demons thing when I read that. Should I put my two-pennworth in on this one or not?

Not sure what you mean by 'chain maintenance', but personally, I make sure chains are lightly oiled or greased at least once a week and cleaned once every couple of months whatever the weather. I also oil them before any long trip. In my experience, even without rain, condensation can develop overnight and, over time, lead to chain corrosion and tight spots. If you keep a chain oiled and are reasonably smooth on the throttle and clutch, then chain stretch will be minimal and you won't be making so many wheel adjustments or paying others to make them for you.

I've never got on with Scottoilers, but those that have reckon they do great things to keep your chain in good order.

OK, I'm the laziest bike owner in the known universe, but oiling is a two-minute job and I've found that minimal maintenace of this sort definitely pays off. I prefer chains, but they are a truly nutty invention. What crazy engineer came up with the idea of a mechanical device that has hundreds of moving parts, every one of which is exposed to dust, dirt, sand, salt and water in northern latitudes?
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#1393 Unread post by blues2cruise » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:28 am

SV....all input regarding something new to me is welcome.

By chain maintenance I was referring to the possible stretching of the chain. The fellow at the shop said it's likely I'll never have to adjust it....he showed me how anyway...

When I was riding my bicycle daily....I kept the chain clean....it got dry and gummy from riding on trails and in the rain....

BTW....what do you use to clean the chain? I assume I should clean it before applying more oil.
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#1394 Unread post by sv-wolf » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:16 am

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#1395 Unread post by sv-wolf » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:16 am

I never used to look after my chains properly, and they used to stretch quite a lot. But since starting to care for them, they haven't stretched much at all. Having said that, my SV used to stretch its chain more than the other bikes I have had. I'm not sure why. I used to ride it in the same way; maybe it was because it had a torquey engine. I don't get the impression you are the wheelying type, blues ( :-) ) so I doubt you will get much stretch from harsh use.

I use a proprietary chain cleaner that's available here in the UK. It's called Muc-off. I'm not sure whether it's available in Canada, but there is bound to be something similar. I'm sure there are plenty of Canuckers on the boards who could advise you. I've also got a mechanical cleaning device that I use with it. I only bought it about six months ago. It just clips onto the chain when you want to clean it. It is a natty little thing, dead cheap to buy (I think it cost me about £18) and easy to use. It saves a lot of time and muckyness and effort. Before that I just used a rag.

But no, I don't clean my chain every time before I oil it. I probably should, but as I said, I'm lazy.

The trick in oiling a chain is to do it an hour or so at least before you ride or while the bike is standing idle. That gives time for the foam to disappear and for the oil to work in. It's also a good idea to oil it lightly. If you use too much, it just gets flung off where you don't want it or it tends to gunge up around the drive sprocket. A tip a mechanic once gave me - and this seems to work very well - is not to oil the whole width of the chain, just the linkages on the farthest side from you as you face it. Apparently there is a tendency for the oil to get thrown outwards from the bike when being ridden, so it will drift over to the near side as you ride. That helps you to keep from over-oiling it.

If you have a centre stand, oiling is easy. If you haven't, you have the option of using a paddock stand. I know some people who do this but it seems a bit too much like hard work to me. I just do it on the street outside the house, rolling the bike back a few feet at a time to expose a new lower length of chain. It only takes a couple of minutes.
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#1396 Unread post by blues2cruise » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:24 pm

Thanks for the info. The particular bike I'm looking at...If I decide to get it...will have a centre stand.
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#1397 Unread post by aw58 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:39 pm

Good luck in choosing a new motorcycle in 2015. My VN has become a long term project and likewise 2015 will be a search for something newer to ride.
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#1398 Unread post by blues2cruise » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:28 pm

[quote="aw58"]Good luck in choosing a new motorcycle in 2015.

Thank you.

My VN has become a long term project .
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That's from riding in the snow. :mrgreen:
I think I recall reading about your commutes in all kinds of crummy weather.


likewise 2015 will be a search for something newer to ride


Any ideas what you want?
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#1399 Unread post by aw58 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:48 pm

UK weather can be pretty dire. Although since the VN has been off the road it has been drier.

I have one prerequisite - AIR COOLED.

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#1400 Unread post by blues2cruise » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:31 pm

In a couple of days...Dec.24th actually..... I am heading to the Okanagan for Christmas at my brother's place. Due to the fact that as soon as I leave the lower mainland I will get into actual winter weather and have to drive through the mountains...I got my car ready.

4 winter tires. (It has 4 wheel drive if needed) and chains. At the moment the roads are ok with just the winter tires...but going through the mountains can be unpredictable....

So...today....I opened the box with the chains and installed one to make sure that they fit....and that I could actually do it.

Happy to say I succeeded. I reckon that if I do have to stop and put chains on the tires, it will take me about half an hour.

I think it took me almost as long to put the chains back in the box as it took me to put the chains on the tires. :lol:

Of course, as I was putting everything away....and after I got my hands all dirty....I discovered that were plastic gloves included in the box. :roll:

My niece just had a new baby....so it will be awesome to get to meet him, too.

Bring on the winter..... me and my big boots are ready. :)
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