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2011 Ride to the Mountains~~~Crash~~~

#1 Unread post by madjak30 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:08 am

I decided at the start of the summer that I would be taking a ride through the Rocky Mountains in the late summer or early fall this year...so I planned the route and picked a date for the ride...September 10th, 2011 to September 12th, 2011...sounded like a great weekend to do it...kids are back in school (so less travelers on the road)...I even found a couple of like minded friends that wanted to come along...

The date finally came, and we were all as excited as the kids when summer break starts tomorrow...we all met up in Sylvan Lake and had breakfast at the Humpty's Restaurant...then we were off...

This is a pic of us stopped in Canmore, AB trying to find some ice cream (it was 28C outside)
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Stopped and took some nice pictures while mounting our POV cameras...

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This pic is where we stopped to stretch before reaching Cranbrook, BC...

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The next day, someone broke their key in their saddle lock...

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we got the piece out, but trying to find someone to cut a motorcycle key on a Sunday was a pain...so we improvised and found that an older Ford trunk key (if sanded or filed to be thinner) will work in an '87 Honda Hurricane ignition... :woohoo: ...we were off...at 2pm

We made it to Creston and turned up Hwy 3a...heading for the ferry across the Kootenay Lake...what a beautiful, twisty road!! We were in heaven...turn after turn, carving our way toward the ferry launch...the closer we got, the twistier the road got...it was AWESOME...until the third to last turn when I entered the turn on the left side of the lane on a left turn...the turn was a decreasing radius turn so I ended up having to lean the bike WAY OVER...I ground the peg and my boot, which startled me...so I wiggled and went a little wide, right out to the white line...and that's when I saw the gravel...next thing I know I'm sliding through the gravel and I am no longer on my bike...

These pictures still make me ill to know what I did to my baby...

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The major damage was to the left fork...bent...the shift lever is broken, the air filter cover is dented and scratched and the heat cover on the left exhaust is crushed...I don't know about the rim and tire...the impact popped the bead off, but I couldn't see any physical damage to the rubber...

I ended up getting it towed to a storage place in Nelson, BC...the guy there was excellent to deal with...he rides as well and felt bad for me, so he is holding it until this weekend for free so that I can go pick it up without missing work...I did have to pay $245 for coming to tow it...but it was Sunday night at 8:45pm...so there was a call out fee and mileage plus HST...

What about me, you ask? Well thanks for being concerned...but the speed limit on the road was 60kph, so I was travelling at 70kph...the turn had a "SLOW" sign, but no speed (usually the tighter turns said slow to 40kph...or something along that line)...so we slowed to 60kph ish...then as the corner presented itself I hit the brakes some more just as I entered the corner, so probably going around 40-50kph...thankfully I was wearing my gloves, jacket, helmet, hiking boots and jeans (I know, I should have riding boots and riding pants...)

I came out with some minor scrapes where my jacket rode up my arm a bit and the glove didn't cover...and my left ankle took a beating when the bike fell over...so I came away with a scrape that wouldn't impress anyone and a limp...

I also found out that riding pillion on a Honda VFR800 Interceptor isn't my prefered mode of transport, especially for a 800kms run...

But I made it home and I'm relatively unharmed...and I know what my winter project is... :disgust:

What I did get to ride was pretty awesome, so I will try that trip again...just with more caution this time...

Later.
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#2 Unread post by Wrider » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:15 am

Sorry to hear/see that bud... But glad you're relatively ok! Since your left fork is bent, you ought to look into upgrades for your suspension! Use this as an opportunity right?
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#3 Unread post by High_Side » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:34 am

Ouch! That sucks but at least you are relatively unscathed. I agree that this is an opportunity to do some upgrades, but did you check to make sure that the frame wasn't tweaked?

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#4 Unread post by JustMark » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:25 am

Amazing pics!!! Sorry to hear about your spill, but glad your gonna be ok.

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#5 Unread post by ceemes » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:15 pm

Bugger.
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#6 Unread post by madjak30 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:16 am

Here's a link to the video from my buddies bike...he had his GoPro running when it happened...



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Re: 2011 Ride to the Mountains~~~Crash~~~

#7 Unread post by ceemes » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:34 pm

Hard to tell, but it looks like you drove right off the road.
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#8 Unread post by agraebner » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:26 pm

In slow motion you look pretty upright till you were off the road and the dust started. Goes along with what cemees said. Watch your video really carefully in slow motion looking for the little details of what happened and your reaction. Compare that with what you remember and see if you remember everything exactly as you see it. I have had the opportunity to watch my crashes in motocross races a few times. I found out some things weren't exactly as they seemed. It was a eye opening to run the mental replay with video. Unfortunately your video is not quite as clear and the perspective is not as good as the ones I had. I'm glad your OK. This is the ultimate learning experience for sure. I learned a long time ago, with out the spill, about roads having sand or gravel on them. It seems a lot of my rides are on roads that are covered in these things right after rain. Having a few close encounters with such things I don't ride near the edge of the road unless I can see its clear well in front of me and I ride within my ability to act if i should encounter such things. If its not gravel or sand these roads are great places for animals running out in front of you with no warning, they just pop over the line to say hi to you... Bottom line is no matter what bike you ride or what skill level you may have, when the inertia of you and your bike exceeds the amount of friction between your tires and the road gravity wins. I have been lucky and every time I start feeling too self confident I see someone else make a boo boo or be taken by surprise and It reminds me of the above and I start being more cautious again. Once again I'm glad your OK and thanks for reminding us we are not on a closed course and to expect this sort of hazard.
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#9 Unread post by madjak30 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:16 pm

ceemes wrote:Hard to tell, but it looks like you drove right off the road.
I've watched it a few times...and I know what you mean...but I think if you watch closely, I am leaned over pretty hard mid corner then I pop up to what looks straight (but is still turning, just not enough...the rider behind me told me that I was still turning when I hit the gravel...I just remember seeing the gravel and driving onto it)...at that point I am target fixated on the gravel...drive straight into it...I do think I ride over the embankment a bit, but I fall off and tumble over it...

Anyway, there is a blank from where I start to slide in the gravel until I am sliding on my hands and feet in the gravel.

Like I stated, the accident is rider error...mostly due to inexperience and riding beyond my ability :oops: ...the joy of turning and adrenaline got the best of me and I paid the price...

I feel bad for ruining the ride for the other two guys I was with, and one of them having to "double" me all the way home...that and scaring the crap out of my wife when I called to tell her that I had crashed...I deserved to crash, I'm just thankful that I didn't really get hurt...

No darwin award this time...and I'm hoping for no next time...

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#10 Unread post by agraebner » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:32 pm

Very positive perspective. I still fight with getting fixated on surprises such as gravel or sand. The scariest things Ive had recently was coming around a corner in the mountains in Amish country with very rough roads already. I was only doing about 40mph but that was more than I should have been. I was at nearly full lean on the FZR and just then noticed that ahead in the road were a bunch or golf ball and large sized hunks of rock that slid into the road. I got really lucky and only hit one but I had loosened up enough the bike was able to correct itself and absorb the mess OK. As far as your buddies go I am sure they are just glad your OK. And no do not look at it as you deserved to crash you were not riding crazy or really speeding. But you now have some priceless knowledge and experience that will make you a safer rider. You through your honesty about the whole matter will make others safer too. This is being responsible. Too many people would have just blamed the road, the tires, the people they were with, the bikes ect.... It has been a long road to get my nephew to look at things this was he had many wrecks on dirt before he finally learned it was his actions that caused his bumps. Now I am glad to say he is respectful of riding and not scared as hes started riding on the road.
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#11 Unread post by High_Side » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:42 pm

agraebner wrote:Very positive perspective. You through your honesty about the whole matter will make others safer too. This is being responsible. Too many people would have just blamed the road, the tires, the people they were with, the bikes ect....
Great post and I agree completely. Up until the point of the crash you had been riding well considering that you say that you are relatively inexperienced, and it looks like you were just caught out by a momentary lapse in concentration. It is an easy thing to do and with your attitude you are less likely to have it happen again.

Again - after watching that I am glad that you are OK.

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#12 Unread post by madjak30 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:19 am

Thanks for the positive feedback...I think the crash was caused by a few little things that had it only been one issue at a time, I could have handled the situation...

1. Entered the turn wrong...should have been on the outside of my lane, not the inside to start a corner...

2. Miss judged the corner and was going too fast...should have slowed to 40kph or 45kph...

3. Over reacted when I ground the peg...should have just ground it into the pavement...experience showed here...

4. Panic'd when I saw the gravel...look where you want to go, not at the danger...again with the experience thing...

I believe that I would have made the corner if one or two of those items were corrected...but small string of events caused an "OH CR@P!!" moment...

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#13 Unread post by sunshine229 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:09 pm

Hey dude, so sorry to hear about this... Man you are super mature to be taking it this way, good on you! Mike & I are heartbroken for your MT-01 (but only of course because you are okay). Get better soon and don't be afraid to get back on the horse and ride it... when you're ready... just don't wait too long!

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#14 Unread post by storysunfolding » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:18 pm

I like how you identified it was multiple factors that went wrong. While they all played a part, the video makes it pretty clear to me that the peg scrape scaring you was the deciding factor. Once you stood it up, it was over. It's actually a very common reaction and I see it a bit with new riders on the track.

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#15 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:26 pm

Woah!

Man, I am so sorry to hear you had a crash with your MT-01, but I'm very relieved to hear you are ok!

I've watched your video and it looks (and from what you said) you did the same kind of thing I did with my crash back in Sept 2000. I came out very lucky (like you) with just a sprained wrist and a damaged ego. I knew I had to get back on a motorcycle ASAP so I bought another bike right away (my bike was unfortunately totalled), so the best piece of advice would be to get back riding ASAP and learn from your mistakes. After my crash it changed the way I rode and how I took corners.

You definitely have the riding skills and seem to have been caught off guard (happens to us all). Will you be fixing up the MT-01 then and riding it again? If so, I'm sure your basket of riding skills just got bigger from this experience.

It's good you have a video of your crash; I wish I did, but I am sure I did the same thing. Basically, I went into the corner too hot and not paying enough attention, panicked, locked up my breaks, the bike stood up from a lean and off I went.

Keep us updated on you and your bikes progress...

Again, happy to hear you are doing ok and sorry to hear about the bike.

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#16 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:36 pm

storysunfolding wrote:Now the silver lining is that a crashed bike, even a slightly crashed bike- is a great opportunity for a project. Build it back the way you want to. Google "thin strom" for some inspiration.
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#17 Unread post by madjak30 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:37 am

Until I see the bike, I don't really know what I have to do to get it on the road again...but I am thinking of just going aftermarket and getting all the bits that broke replaced...
storysunfolding wrote:I like how you identified it was multiple factors that went wrong. While they all played a part, the video makes it pretty clear to me that the peg scrape scaring you was the deciding factor. Once you stood it up, it was over. It's actually a very common reaction and I see it a bit with new riders on the track.

Now the silver lining is that a crashed bike, even a slightly crashed bike- is a great opportunity for a project. Build it back the way you want to. Google "thin strom" for some inspiration.
Thanks...but I really think my undoing was my absolute fear of turning when there is gravel on the road...I just froze...even though I was still leaned over, I couldn't snap myself out of the trance and lean the bike further...here's another pic I took...

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You can see how little shoulder there is and also the slide marks from both tires...

And yes, now is the opportune time to make some "upgrades" to the bike...I'm working on a way to mount saddle bags & add a fuel cell to extend the range...rear sets & a drag type bar instead of the stock handle bars...maybe some shorty levers...and new paint...we'll see where it all ends up...
sunshine229 wrote:Hey dude, so sorry to hear about this... Man you are super mature to be taking it this way, good on you! Mike & I are heartbroken for your MT-01 (but only of course because you are okay). Get better soon and don't be afraid to get back on the horse and ride it... when you're ready... just don't wait too long!

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Thanks for the concern, but I don't have fear of getting back on the bike...it has actually made me want to go to some track days to improve my cornering technique...I am too close to the mountains to not know how to ride the beautiful roads that they provide just a few short hours away... :evil3:

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#18 Unread post by Tsp » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:10 am

You didn't deserve that, your statement, the crash, to think of it as that also says that the other 2 riders deserved it. Glad you r alive, you have kids, a wife, job, biker friends. It's not worse ! What I know, and is with others, is that I will make mistakes. I feel for you all. Your trip plans were by no means a mistake, I believe.

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#19 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:41 am

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#20 Unread post by QuietMonkey » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:38 pm

Well, at least you chose some nice roads to crash on. Ive always enjoyed the roads around Nelson, just as much as the west coast along the pacific ocean, through Oregon and Cali.

Didnt watch the video, but judging by your comments, you understand your responsibility in the crash, which a lot of people dont. So that's always good news. It sounds like a typical crash scenario for newbies, so it's good that you rode off without worse results. You might wanna consider spending some time riding by yourself to avoid distractions of riding with other riders.

Not sure what suspension adjustments the MT01 offers, but most current bikes from almost any manufacturer have just what you need on the mechanical side: A FEW MORE CLICKS of SPRING PRELOAD ON THE REAR suspension will get you sufficiently more more ground clearance, before you need to be concerned about a little scraping. Riding smoother works wonders too, or as you have discovered, taking the right line through the corner rather than compromising it with the wrong corner entry. Check your owners manual for the spring preload info.

You're better of learning to work with what you have rather than upgrade stuff at this stage. Believe me, I have raced with stock components and you can go plenty fast by learning what you have to work with, rather than believing you over-rode the bike.

Other than that the best thing is just more seat time. So just put gas in the bike and go riding, once you repair all the broken bits. In the winter you could always read a good book like Twist of the Wrist or The Soft Science of Motorcycle Road racing, or sign up for an advanced rider course at Stratotech Park or Race City Motorsport Park (if RaceCity is still open next year).
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