The only reason helmet and seatbelt USAGE are ok.......
Notice the difference? As someone indicated, laws which override our choice to determine our life and safety is something to be concerned about. Wearing these devices is a good thing, no doubt, but telling me I HAVE to wear them is not good.
let me explain... if you get into an accident and lose control of your car because you don't have your seatbelt on and smash into me or my wife... OR get hit by a rock or a bird in the head while riding your motorcycle and you lose control and hit into me... who's life or safety should I be concerned with? It seems like you just ignored everything I wrote... the point is you are putting OTHERS in danger when you don't wear a seatbelt or helmet also.
Your putting me in danger everytime you get on your bike or in your car. Your arguement will be used in favor of mass transit one day. No cars or bikes. For "your own good" of course. Sounds like a great life doesn't it? Absolutely minimum risk and we can all be happy and have one big group hug. If you want to ride your bike, ride it. Don't tell me how i'm going to ride mine. Some people got into riding and decided they somehow know what's best for everyone else. You may know what's best for you, but that's as far as it goes. From helmet laws, to first bike choices. The condescending never stops. We even come up with names like squid and poser to label those we find to be outside our standards so we can change them rather they like it or not. Maybe there should be laws against control freaks. Now there's a label for you.
You can't compare the laws of Canada to America. Canada has much more control over small things, while America was built around giving people personal freedom.
That being said, earwig is right. The helmet laws don't exist for the individuals safety. Although they do help, they are there for the safety of everybody else. There are countless examples of restricting personal freedoms for the safety of others in our laws.
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Scott58 wrote:Your putting me in danger everytime you get on your bike or in your car. Your arguement will be used in favor of mass transit one day. No cars or bikes. For "your own good" of course. Sounds like a great life doesn't it? Absolutely minimum risk and we can all be happy and have one big group hug. If you want to ride your bike, ride it. Don't tell me how i'm going to ride mine. Some people got into riding and decided they somehow know what's best for everyone else. You may know what's best for you, but that's as far as it goes. From helmet laws, to first bike choices. The condescending never stops. We even come up with names like squid and poser to label those we find to be outside our standards so we can change them rather they like it or not. Maybe there should be laws against control freaks. Now there's a label for you.
There has to be some compromise with everything. I don't think making someone wear a helmet or seatbelt is asking too much. No one is going to go to an extreme and force you do use mass transit... don't be ridiculous. Something tells me you are a very paranoid person.
Damn, I wish I was more awake before starting a new topic, please ignore that one. Anyway this accident can only mean bad things for motorcycling in terms of legislation from congressand descrimination from the general public who don't know much about the sport other than "an old experience on the back of a friends bike" garbage. You know bikers are in trouble when stuff like this is floating around in other places: http://www.politics.co.uk/press-release ... 441969.htm
Andrew's post from the "Rothliesberger..." thread is exactly what the majority of people think about bikes and bikers. I should be happy though that the anchors here in NY made a stink about being helmetless instead of bikes in general.
Damn, I spent a long time deciding where to post this.
One thing you can count on: You push a man too far, and sooner or later he'll start pushing back.
Andrew78108 wrote:That being said, earwig is right. The helmet laws don't exist for the individuals safety. Although they do help, they are there for the safety of everybody else. There are countless examples of restricting personal freedoms for the safety of others in our laws.
Another example of an argument that could be used to ban motorcycles all together.
It is a slippery slope ZooTech, and I'm really undecided on the matter. Anything can be taken to an extreme, but I think when it comes to small things that can help overall safety, the government may have a role. One way or another, you won't see me without a helmet.
JCViper, the host that was bashing motorcycles as a whole was a New Yorker. I'm glad to hear he's in the minority. I'm still mad about it.
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That's where it starts. Where do you draw the line? And what are you going to say to a person that tells you to get off your motorcycle because it's to dangerous and they think it's "reasonable" to ask you to do so? What real value do they have as opposed to the safety issue? Sorry earwig, your just going to have to park your bike it's just way to dangerous for you. Even a small thing like a flat tire could cause you to crash into me. I actually wear full gear about 95% of the time (100% when i'm on the interstate). But to make someone else wear it? No way it's none of my business the risk you take. Just like it's none of yours with me. It's about control of what others do with what ever excuse wins your arguement. Unfortunately that same logic will work for stopping any dangerous activity.
P.S. Wouldn't everyone just love to have their bikes designed and built by liberals? You'd get 100cc if you were lucky and you you could have air bags Rev limiters to a specific speed in every gear and all kinds of neat stuff.
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I don't have sirius and most of my news come from the local stations. There's a growing number of bike supporters here because of a scooter craze so he's not really a minority, just that they've been silent until now.
One thing you can count on: You push a man too far, and sooner or later he'll start pushing back.
Andrew78108 wrote:You can't compare the laws of Canada to America. Canada has much more control over small things, while America was built around giving people personal freedom.
Watching the news recently, I cannot believe you just said that with a straight face.
More and more American's are trading away their freedom for safety vs the terrorists. Terrorists who don't seem to be doing much of anything on American soil anymore.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.
