Hey Guys,Needing upgrade help

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MattL · #11 Post by **MattL** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:05 am

On the track....

How do you think Ducati can keep people in the winners circle with substancially lower powered bikes? Skill. Their riders are cream of the crop.

As was said above all the 600ccRR bikes are ~ the same performance, just sit on them all. Feel which one is more comfortable to you and meats you're price range. I got real close to buying a k6 cbr 600 myself before I found my current Katana (which is also a great bike to look at). Don't dismiss bikes because of how they look.

Good luck

TechTMW · #12 Post by **TechTMW** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:56 am

Andrew13 wrote:The guy started on a decent starter bike and now want to step up a level, including track days so he can fully learn how to use his machine, why bash him for that?

Nobody's bashing. The guy said he likes to go fast ... so, I simply asked why he didn't get a 1000 instead

He's also concerned about which bike has the fastest top speed. If numbers are his only concern, then he should get a thou...

Valentino Rossi took (arguably) the worst bike on the grid and became world champion on it. It's never about the numbers. Anyone who're really interested in racing can tell you that.

However, if he's settled on a 600, then here are the numbers.

cbr600rr -
101.5 hp
43 ft-lbs torque
0-60 3.0 sec
top speed 156mph

gsx-r600 -
106.1 hp
43.61 ft-lbs torque
0-60 3.1 sec
top speed 157mph

zx-6r -
109.43 hp
46.46 ft-lbs torque
0-60 3.0 sec
top speed 160mph

Daytona 675 -
106.99 hp
47.49 ft-lbs torque
0-60 3.2 sec
top speed 155mph

R-6 -
109.4 hp
42.65 ft-lbs torque
0-60 3.0 sec
top speed 160mph

What do all these numbers mean? Nothing. The bikes are so close together it's ridiculous. In addition, glitches in the manufacturing process and different break-in procedures mean that you could get a stock GSX-R (for example) that dynos at a few horsepower less than another stock GSX-R of the same year. Meaning, your gixxer could be making less BHP's than your buddies CBR600RR after a few hundred miles of riding.

Capice?

Andrew13 · #13 Post by **Andrew13** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:00 am

Sorry. It was the braggin' rights comment that made me think you were being snarky. That and the general attitude towards 1000s here. Not counting Verm...

MakeCarsStandSTill · Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:46 am

Thank You GUYs For ALl Your HElp!

Dichotomous · #15 Post by **Dichotomous** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:14 am

the SV's pretty much require adding GSXR suspension to do anything well at the track, and for the rear thats a $50 upgrade, did it myself, for the front it can be a few hundred or more, and lots of hassle. and while you'll have better corner power with a much longer powerband, they will eat you everywhere but corner exit. also they are watercooled. ducati wins because their bikes have a very broad powerband, so they can use all the power, even if its less top power, through everywhere on the track, and also because their frames and suspension are so well built and designed that they corner better. but when you can use 100% of your power 50% more, thats more overall power. anyways a ducati or aprilla, if found used and cheep, would make a great track bike, though a used 600 would make a better one, just from replacing parts and such.
why do they make you get rid of the anti-freeze? wouldnt the antifreeze help keep a bike cooler in race conditions? is it just so they dont have to clean up yellow on the track?

VermilionX · #16 Post by **VermilionX** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:30 am

Dichotomous wrote:why do they make you get rid of the anti-freeze? wouldnt the antifreeze help keep a bike cooler in race conditions? is it just so they dont have to clean up yellow on the track?

anti-freeze is hard to clean and very slippery.

it's for if a rider crashes, the section of the track where the rider crashed won't be messed up for the others if his anti-freeze spills.

dieziege · #17 Post by **dieziege** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:36 am

BTW: water and a little surfactant (e.g. dish soap or products like "waterwetter") actually works better at keeping an engine cool than antifreeze...water can accept more heat and carry it away than antifreeze... but antifreeze protects the water pump, metal parts, and so on better and of course it doesn't freeze which is a major advantage in some areas.

flynrider · #18 Post by **flynrider** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:48 am

It also boils at a higher temperature than water. If your bike runs hot, you've got a better chance of boiling over with water than with antifreeze.

That said, I can fully understand why they don't want it on a race track. That stuff is extremely difficult to remove from asphalt. Anything short of scrubbing it down with a strong detergent will leave a slick spot on the track for weeks.

DirtyD86 · #19 Post by **DirtyD86** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:58 pm

the r6 has a top speed of around 175.

VermilionX · #20 Post by **VermilionX** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:05 pm

yo TECH!

do you have the stats for teh GSX-R750 K6?

top speed? ¼ mile? 0-60mph?