i dropped my bike...

[Nibblet99]

I worry about you

I don't anymore. Verm has had an abundance of good advice thrown at him now, time and time again. If he decides to listen to it and realise why a lot of people are emotive about this issue, great.

If not, why worry about his safety when it clearly doesn't worry him.

I apologise for my dismissive attitude, but I will no longer feed an attention seeker, who's had that many chances, with what they want.

[VermilionX]

again... thanks for the advice.

BUT i'll ask for it when i need it.

sounds like a good deal?

this topic is not one of my advice seeking topics. i already know why i messed up and i learned from it and know how i could have avoided it.

[Big B]

BUT i'll ask for it when i need it.

why bother? you won't listen to it anyways

[VermilionX]

BUT i'll ask for it when i need it.

why bother? you won't listen to it anyways

i do listen to advices and i take them into consideration.

sometimes i follow it, sometimes i don't.

also, i ask for advice from other people outside the forum and outside the internet too.

i collect the info, then i decide on what i'll do.

[Sev]

Fine, "advice" is not a word that needs an "S" at the end to make it plural. It's always advice.

I will not listen to all of your advice. I will follow your advice. I don't agree with the advice of all those people. Stop putting an "S" back there, or you're going to flunk out of English.

[Kaiser Soze]

Well, Verm does have "ad vices", as in these "ads" he posts about himself are a real vice for him. The "see how cool I look" vice, the "check out this thing I bought" vice, the "look how far my "O Ring" is hanging off in this 20mph corner" vice.

Bloody attention mean.

[kabob983]

Well, Verm does have "ad vices", as in these "ads" he posts about himself are a real vice for him. The "see how cool I look" vice, the "check out this thing I bought" vice, the "look how far my "O Ring" is hanging off in this 20mph corner" vice.

Bloody attention mean.

Bloody rattlesnake killer!

[VermilionX]

Well, Verm does have "ad vices", as in these "ads" he posts about himself are a real vice for him. The "see how cool I look" vice, the "check out this thing I bought" vice, the "look how far my "O Ring" is hanging off in this 20mph corner" vice.

Bloody attention mean.

my sig pic is actually from a 15mph hairpin turn. BUT of course, i don't follow the PSL(posted speed limit).

[Posthumane]

Hey Verm, I posted about this as a reply to one of your other threads, but you ignored it, so I'm going to post it here again because I'd like to have a thoughful discussion about it with you.

Now, I know you think hanging off "improves" cornering, and the reason you usually give for that line of thinking is something along the lines of "leaning off reduces your lean angle and gives you more traction. You can take a turn faster with less lean if your leaning off..."
So I'd like you to please explain to me why it is that you think that less lean angle gives you more conering traction.

I will start this discussion with a rudimentary explanation of why it doesn't. When lean a bike, you effectively move its Cg (centre of gravity) laterally so it is no longer sitting above the tires. The bike turning produces a lateral acceleration in the opposite direction, and the two forces cancel each other out so the bike doesn't fall over. When you lean off the bike, the effect is the same in that by moving your body weight you are moving the Cg towards the inside of the turn, just as you would by leaning the bike. The difference between the two scenarios is that in the second one, your tire contact patch is closer to the centre of the tire whereas in the first your contact patch is closer to the edge. Having a contact patch close to the edge of the tire while cornering is not a bad thing. That is how the tires are designed to be used. That is why the treadblocks on the outside of the tire are cut almost completely laterally.

The only time leaning off helps is when you reach the bike's critical lean angle where it either starts running off the edge of the tire or scraping hard parts onthe ground. On modern sportbikes, this is reached at lean angles well past 45* off of vertical, and therefore past 1g of lateral acceleration. You are not reaching anywhere near those limits (nor should you be), so I would like to know why it is that you think leaning off "improves" your cornering. In fact, I'm curious what you mean by the term "improves." I look forward to your reply and the following discussion.

[VermilionX]

Hey Verm, I posted about this as a reply to one of your other threads, but you ignored it, so I'm going to post it here again because I'd like to have a thoughful discussion about it with you.

Now, I know you think hanging off "improves" cornering, and the reason you usually give for that line of thinking is something along the lines of "leaning off reduces your lean angle and gives you more traction. You can take a turn faster with less lean if your leaning off..."
So I'd like you to please explain to me why it is that you think that less lean angle gives you more conering traction.

I will start this discussion with a rudimentary explanation of why it doesn't. When lean a bike, you effectively move its Cg (centre of gravity) laterally so it is no longer sitting above the tires. The bike turning produces a lateral acceleration in the opposite direction, and the two forces cancel each other out so the bike doesn't fall over. When you lean off the bike, the effect is the same in that by moving your body weight you are moving the Cg towards the inside of the turn, just as you would by leaning the bike. The difference between the two scenarios is that in the second one, your tire contact patch is closer to the centre of the tire whereas in the first your contact patch is closer to the edge. Having a contact patch close to the edge of the tire while cornering is not a bad thing. That is how the tires are designed to be used. That is why the treadblocks on the outside of the tire are cut almost completely laterally.

The only time leaning off helps is when you reach the bike's critical lean angle where it either starts running off the edge of the tire or scraping hard parts onthe ground. On modern sportbikes, this is reached at lean angles well past 45* off of vertical, and therefore past 1g of lateral acceleration. You are not reaching anywhere near those limits (nor should you be), so I would like to know why it is that you think leaning off "improves" your cornering. In fact, I'm curious what you mean by the term "improves." I look forward to your reply and the following discussion.

it's just that my cornering has been smoother since i started doing it.

question though, what is a threadblock?