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SilentComposer · Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:15 pm

Here we go again with simple testing, I'm a spaz when it comes to this stuff!

I have heard the motorcycle permit test was written by people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle and the questions are written pretty ambiguously. Most people I have talked to said that they failed a few times, is there a limit to how many times you can re-take it?

intotherain · Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:45 pm

no. thats what the MSF ppl say. its not too bad. I took the permit test before I took the MSF and I got 100%. I looked on the DMV website for statistics questions (% BAC) and stuff. Its not hard at all. If you take the test after you take the MSF, you'll pass it for sure. If you go to the DMV and get that little motorcycle handbook, and just read it, it will help you a little bit. Read that book over a few times over the period of a week and you'll be good.

they ask you stuff about lane position, signaling, emergency situations and stuff.. not too hard.

its not written ambigously at all. questions are straight forward and simple

Nalian · #3 Unread post by **Nalian** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:14 am

I only had one or two questions that were ambiguous - but by that there were two answers that could be right, but one was more right. Everything is definitely outlined in your little guide book - if you read through that once or twice you'll likely be fine.

There are some questions I'd consider odd in there for a permit test having to do with various things that break on the bike. If I hadn't read the book I wouldn't have gotten them right.

Definitely make sure to memorize the blood alcohol level stuff. At least one question will be on there. At least, I have yet to run into anyone who has never had one.

jstark47 · #4 Unread post by **jstark47** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:46 am

In New Jersey the cycle permit test has questions from both the motorcycle manual and the regular driver's manual. If you know both of those, it's no big deal - you're just regurgitating info from those books.

Damian · #5 Unread post by **Damian** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:06 am

I took the written test a few days after taking the MSF course. I read the handbook while I was standing in line and did fine. I think I might have missed one or two questions.

The questions seemed pretty straight forward to me. There were a few questions that were not covered in the MSF and I didn't remember seeing during my quick review of the handbook. Extremely new riders (like myself) would probably have a hard time with a few of the questions, but for the most part (like Nalian said) you could eliminate a few of the answers and be left with a 50-50 chance.

Don't sweat it, just review the MSF material and motorcycle handbook and you'll be fine.

intotherain · Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:55 pm

Edit: i take it all back.. I should of just read the book once and I could have easily passed. the permit test merely tests how well your studied the book. It doesnt test your skill. Just study the statistics and what the DMV wants you to do on a motorcycle and you will be fine. Im taking it again tomorrow.

WOW. THE CALIFORNIA WRITTEN TEST IS THE MOST BOGUS THING EVER. I JUST TOOK IT AND FAILED. THE QUESTIOSN ARE SO mentally challenged WTF.

LIKE THIS ONE
If you are being followed to closely, iti s usually best to:

move closer to the vehicle ahead
Move to the right portion of the lane
Drop back farther from the vehicle ahead

If you must stop quickly while turning and you are unable to straighten the motorcycle first, apply the:

Front brake and increase your lean angle
BVrakes harder as thelean is reduce
Brakes first and then lean away from the turn

When carrying loads:

Fawsten the load against the frame on the back of the seat
Keep the load low and as far as forward as possi le
Keep the load behind the rear axle

It was the most ridcuosly mentally challenged test I have ever taken. ever.

omg. I just lost my will to ever motorcycle agian. im so bummed goddam.[/b]

Damian · #7 Unread post by **Damian** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:35 pm

Dohun, I was just about to reply as you edited your post. I was going to say that I remember each of those either being covered in the MSF or the handbook.

I agree the written test is not much a test of skill, but whether or not you remember the techniques they preach.

Don't beat yourself up. When do you get to try the test again?

Chris8187 · #8 Unread post by **Chris8187** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:44 pm

Those questions aren't bogus, and they are not crazy difficult either. All you have to do is stop, clear your head, and think about the question and the possible answers. For question 1, the answer is "c". I'd assume "b" is the correct choice for question 2 as the other two answers make zero sense. For the third question, "a" is the answer. The other two answers simply make no sense either.

intotherain · Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:35 pm

Chris8187 wrote:Those questions aren't bogus, and they are not crazy difficult either. All you have to do is stop, clear your head, and think about the question and the possible answers. For question 1, the answer is "c". I'd assume "b" is the correct choice for question 2 as the other two answers make zero sense. For the third question, "a" is the answer. The other two answers simply make no sense either.

its called I took the MSF half a year ago and I took the test without even glancing at the handbooko thinking i could el passo.

We all have our goddam weaknesses and strengths and I got all the other 40 or w/e questions right. Several people in front of me and they all got 7-10 + wrong. Those are questions the average beginning motorcycles dont even think about.

I mean who the hell carries big loads as beginners, NOBODY. THE BOOKLET TEACHES YOU THE TEST, NOT THE RIDE.

EDIT: FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE TWO BAGS I RECENTLY BOUGHT. THEY ARE SADDLED RIGHT BEHIND MY BACK ON THE MOTORCYCLE. Why the hell would anyone want to keep bags low and frontward? itd probably scrape off during a turn.

If you are being tailgated to closely, and you slow down to increase the distance between you and the car in front of you, thats like saying "hey, dude in the car behind me, please run me over while I slow down a ton, when I could just go to the right of the lane or something and let you pass! wow we are all happy!'

and I thought breaking while turning was the one thing they told us to keep separated. Hows some relatively new to riding know how much brake is too little or too much, while at the angle they are at to the ground...

Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:09 pm

The idea behind slowing down a bit and getting some space between you and the car in front is to give space for the tailgater to pass.
If you simply move over in your lane, the driver will try to pass you before it is safe to do so and possibly sideswipe you.

If you had read your book, you would know why the luggage question is there. Keeping things low reduces your center of gravity for one thing. having the load balanced makes it easier to keep your bike balanced. It's not a mentally challenged question at all, because although you are a beginner, at some point, there is a likelihood of carrying cargo.

Although generally we are advised not to brake in a curve, there are going to be occasions when it is necessary.

Go read the book again. It will help. Better luck next time.