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#21 Unread post by Thumper »

StillTry'n wrote:For a person who has never ridden a motorcycle in their life and knows that these things have a mind of their own when ridden by amateurs: I am trying to explain that "NOT turning your head way in the direction of where this thing is going" is like jumping out of an airplane and never thinking about the ground.

It ain't natural.
Dude...seriously? I was told to turn my head, I turned my head. No problem. No leap of faith required. My son had no problem right off the bat, neither did my husband. It was a pretty simple concept: look where you want the bike to go, not with just your eyes but your head.

I think you might want to come up with another anaolgy, because it's just not working. Turning your head is easy; jumping out of a plane, not.

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#22 Unread post by Gunslinger »

That's a strange analogy for sure. I didn't turn my head far enough, was told by the instructor to turn even more which I did. I felt it was akward but it wasn't the same mind numbing fear I would feel at 10,000 feet. And it really does work. I can't say enough good things about my MSF class and the instructors.
I don't know about the rest of the country but unless you completely blow the majority of the tests or dump the bike you are going to pass.

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#23 Unread post by goodies »

I no I am not supposed to, but I have been practicing in the parking lot. I do go with information and believe I am practicing the correct way.

Anyway, I watched the u-turn clips from "Riding Like A Pro" where they taught and demostrated the head turn when doing a u-turn. It works!! I improved mine a 100%. I didn't think it was scary at all. By the end I was doing it all most automatically.

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#24 Unread post by Lion_Lady »

StillTry'n wrote:L_L
Let me try this another way. . . I want you to jump out of an airplane for the very first time in your life...
See, that's where we keep bumping heads. I'm not denying that the swivel-head turn can be a bit unnerving. Only that comparing it to jumping out of an airplane is an overstatement.

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#25 Unread post by Shorts »

Its an overstatement for the sake of analogy. Its the underlying feelings/emotions that matter - scared and untrusting. And when undertaking a big new activity you've never done before those feelings are pegged high.


Everyone is different in the magnitude their fears grow to. Everyone is different in how the handle the effects of emotions. I don't think its too proper to minimize what a new rider might be feeling. Experienced folks, everyone was new once. Don't forget that. Its easy to tell a new rider "Oh you're scared for nothing" after you've moved through that learning curve enough that riding isn't scary anymore.


Wow, I'm really in no mood for anything today - freakin Monday morning :evil:



Turning your head isn't easy when you first get on the bike. All you're worried about is barely 2 feet in front of you. You've all seen new riders, they're petrified. And that's normal. That's part of the learning process. It takes some longer to be comfortable and remember to turn their heads and do keep their eyes up. How many of you all remember talking to yourself in your helmet as you rode circles in the damn parking lot 'look where you want to go.....keep your eyes up....look where you want to go....keep your eyes up...turn your head...look where..." YOU SEE MY POINT!

For some people being able to learn and get use to the way to ride is a bigger challenge than to others. That is OK! Teach them the proper way to do and allow them to work to that point in their time. Keep them as safe as possible, keep encouraging them, teach them, but don't antagonize or minimize their perspective on it! :censored:

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#26 Unread post by StillTry'n »

See, that's where we keep bumping heads. I'm not denying that the swivel-head turn can be a bit unnerving. Only that comparing it to jumping out of an airplane is an overstatement.
OK......maybe a bit of an overstatement, on my part.

But maybe you have never really (deep down) ever been totally afraid of motorcycles.

And, I have, P.

You see, P, there are people who can jump out of an airplane for the sheer fun of it, and those very same people would never, ever swing a leg over a motorcycle.....much less let the clutch out.

I love this forum, and and you guys have been most kind to a total newby.

And I'll be back to let you know how I'm doin' on my bike.

And yes! I'm going to look real hard in the direction I want to go, no matter how unnerving I find doing that to be!

Dan

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