ofblong wrote:actually the EPA is a very good company for certain reasons.
Yes in certain ways. However if the EPA was truly interested in the environment they would have a strict emission regulation against these POS relic diesels that are polluting the planet. You ever seen a pitch black smoke stack come out of one of those 18 wheelers?
Companies like Peterbilt get away with murder being allowed to make these POS relic diesels that have virtually no emission control and pollute the air like theres no tomorrow, while car owners have to pay a lot of money to have their tiny gas engines manufactured to produce virtually no emissions.
Of course as long as briefcases with money get left at Congressman's desk, there won't be any laws created to mandate strict emissions on diesels.....and the EPA continues to turn a blind eye.
ofblong wrote:so what happens if I was to ride through there with my michigan plates? They would ticket me for not having an EPA sticker?
I don't know about out of towners, 311 and other city agencies haven't put out too much info yet. Maybe they'll do it to people with Jersey plates considering that NY and NJ seem to share a lot of things. First things first I have to find out what this will cost me and whether or not my old stock pipes need replacing since they've gotten a bit louder over the years. Besides I thought the yearly inspection dealt with stuff like this, which would make the new EPA requirement pretty pointless and is just a show for the people that the gov't seems to be working.
I do hate it when loud bikes come by at 4 am and sit at the traffic light and the engine is revved by the idiot rider as well as bikes I can hear for a solid 2 minutes after it leaves. This sort of thing though is becoming less of a problem with many new riders being aware of noise pollution and now at night I have to deal with morons who think they're in fast n' furious screeching their tires or having their fart cans awaken the neighborhood.
One thing you can count on: You push a man too far, and sooner or later he'll start pushing back.
What bothers me about it is that they don't have to prove that your bike is over the Db limit. No sticker, get a fine. That's why I say get a fake sticker and be done with it. And if you decide to abide by this BS law how are you supposed to get your pipes certified? Take it to a lab and have them create a stupid report? And how much is that going to cost? Sonds to me like your councilman buddy and his band of theives are counting on some sweet kickbacks from the EPA.
JC Viper wrote:...and the pigs don't have to prove...
While in theory I agree with you, you lost me by calling cops pigs.
After my run in with an a$$ of a cop while enjoying a public park I pretty much distrust NYPD, partly due to the whole quota thing instilled by the scumbag mayor.
One thing you can count on: You push a man too far, and sooner or later he'll start pushing back.
Here's a couple of questions. When did the EPA begin issuing 'stickers' on exhaust systems? Is this stamped into the muffler? My '87 Concours has some mumbo-jumbo stamped into the stock exhaust, and my '79 XS750F doesn't. Several sites indicate 1994 as the year these laws went into effect.
People say I'm stupid and apathetic. I don't know what that means, and I don't care.
Always wear a helmet, eye protection, and protective clothing. Never ride under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
What's funny is that Kentucky has a similar law. You won't hear about it by talking to anybody, you still have idiots cruising down the road with straight pipes.
I can't remember where I read it but in Kentucky the exhaust can not be any louder than the original stock exhaust.
I would like to see it inforced. One day I had to roll up my window on my SUV because the motorcycle passing me was so loud and hurting my ear.
I havent heard ANY cars that loud.
I would imagine that all cities have noise ordnances so all they would have to do is to train the police officers on how to use a Db meter, and issue them to them, then they would not have any reason to dream up more laws to tick off the public.
Johnj wrote:Here's a couple of questions. When did the EPA begin issuing 'stickers' on exhaust systems? Is this stamped into the muffler? My '87 Concours has some mumbo-jumbo stamped into the stock exhaust, and my '79 XS750F doesn't. Several sites indicate 1994 as the year these laws went into effect.
It is engraved (or stamped) on my exhaust pipes and many aftermarket pipes have a statement that the new pipes comply with Federal Law but apparently NY might be a special case where a new EPA approved sticker is needed on all bikes, like those inspection and registration stickers.
NYC is full of these boy racer types or gearheads with their loud cars and the loud bikes are dropping each riding season as more riders stick with reasonably quiet bikes modified or not.
One thing you can count on: You push a man too far, and sooner or later he'll start pushing back.
Mr. Invisible wrote:What's funny is that Kentucky has a similar law. You won't hear about it by talking to anybody, you still have idiots cruising down the road with straight pipes.
I can't remember where I read it but in Kentucky the exhaust can not be any louder than the original stock exhaust.
I would like to see it inforced. One day I had to roll up my window on my SUV because the motorcycle passing me was so loud and hurting my ear.
I havent heard ANY cars that loud.
I would imagine that all cities have noise ordnances so all they would have to do is to train the police officers on how to use a Db meter, and issue them to them, then they would not have any reason to dream up more laws to tick off the public.
not all cities have a noise ordinance. Some dont have one because of things like dragways (like one thats only about 5 miles from my house).
