Who Builds the best bikes?

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ceemes wrote: Ahem.....back in the 60's and early 70's Japanese Imports were the by-word for cheap and nasty and disposable cars and electronics.
Not true. By the 1960s are certainly the early 70s, Japanese imports were certainly NOT considered cheap and nasty disposables. By the early 70s, some of the best TVs, High Fidelity equipment, camera and motorcycles were made in Japan.
ceemes wrote:By the mid 80's they had been transformed into the benchmarks for quality and reliability.
They had achieved this by the mid 70s.
ceemes wrote: Same thing for Korean auto's such as the Kia line, back in the late 90's to early 200? they were considered with good reason to be cheap and poorly built, today their quality is starting to rival that off both Japanese and European makers, the North American Big 3 as still stuck in the 60's.
South Korean automakers arrived here in the mid 1980s. To even compare South Korea to China is blasphemy and a total insult to South Korea. That being said, they struggled tremendously and it took far longer for them than they had ever imagined to even come close to par for the industry. To this date, their quality is nowhere up to snuff of the Japanese competition.
ceemes wrote: Given time and I doubt it will take long, Chinese builders will crack the quality issues and no doubt will start exporting some quality products. Could be interesting.
I highly doubt it. They have made no improvements whatsoever. They seem content on selling cr@p made from their exploited citizens.

China cannot even steal technologies correctly. Japan launched their first bullet train back in the 1960s and to this date has never had a single accident. China recently launched the bullet train with technologies they carbon copied from the Japanese; and shortly thereafter had their first major derailment and accident. Many people were killed. :(

In fact, I think a total collapse of the Chinese economy is imminent. To me China is the quintessential smoke and mirror show. It's one thing for Obama to keep printing money, totally another for a country like China. What does China have that backs up all this other than their 1.3 billion exploited citizens?
ceemes wrote: As for living in a so-called "free capitalist society", it hasn't been working all that great for many of us has it? Europe is in the middle of financial crisis, the US economy is still stalled with the official unemployment rate siting at 9.1%. Sometime I can't help but wonder if the Chinese haven't gotten it right with their odd mixture of Marxism and Capitalism.
Are you kidding me??? I don't know about you but I will happily live in the US, Canada, England, or Japan before I will ever live in a country like China. Even the Chinese want nothing to do with that country. They immigrate to other countries in Asia, Europe, Australia, The Americas, and even Africa in record numbers. Nobody wants anything to do with that country. Ask anybody in Hong Kong, Taiwan, or Tibet.
Yeah the Chinese really got it right. :roll:
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mogster wrote: I have thought of another category for this thread.........which bike sound make you turn & look?

1) Ducati
2)Any old Brit (only seen/heard new Norton at a show, but I sure will look)
3) Any big-bore Guzzi
4) 1st gen Vmax (not saying the new Vmax wouldn't, I just haven't heard one).
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jstark47 wrote:
mogster wrote: I have thought of another category for this thread.........which bike sound make you turn & look?

1) Ducati
2)Any old Brit (only seen/heard new Norton at a show, but I sure will look)
3) Any big-bore Guzzi
4) 1st gen Vmax (not saying the new Vmax wouldn't, I just haven't heard one).
Totally agree on both counts. The big bore 2V Guzzi produces some of the best sound ever heard from a motorcycle.

A piped up first gen Max sounded like a mean nasty small block Chevy, I'm not kidding.
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#24 Unread post by havegunjoe »

The question is too open ended. Being the biggest manufacturer doesn’t make their bikes the best. Best at what? There are too many types, models, etc. You have to narrow it down like best looking cruiser, or sport bike, or fastest sport bike for the money, or best off road hill climber. What??
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HYPERR wrote:
ceemes wrote: Given time and I doubt it will take long, Chinese builders will crack the quality issues and no doubt will start exporting some quality products. Could be interesting.
I highly doubt it. They have made no improvements whatsoever. They seem content on selling cr@p made from their exploited citizens.

Yeah the Chinese really got it right. :roll:
I have dealt with the Chinese for over 30 years. In all that time the only way their quality improved was when American engineers went over there and taught them what to do and how to do it. Left to their own devices they produce C-R-A-P every time. I don’t think their motorcycles are any different unless some American/Foreign company/people show them how.
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#26 Unread post by Superfly3176 »

Harley Davidson is the best

They oughta be the most reliable because they've been producing the same engine pretty much for 70 years :laughing:

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