ronboskz650sr wrote:
I have answered Shiv's question with what I truly believe to be the correct answer. You, Mint, have answered first with sarcasm, then with implications that only your boots, (which I think you said are broken, but still functional), are the only ones he should consider, or boots of similar design. Nobody has questioned your need for thousands of dollars of gear...you crash more than most. Yet you continue to feed incorrect information through implication to the guy who just asked if Mil spec boots are good enough...they are, and will get him into protective gear on a budget. Pricing people out of protective gear is one reason they don't wear it.
These boots will survive and protect...The outer leather is nearly three time as heavy as my heavy leather jacket, and the liner is nearly as thick, also of leather... and the boot will definitely stay on the foot in a crash. Drop it. You are about to embarrass yourself. I have read your blog. It is full of good information that you don't want re-interpreted from a safety standpoint on this forum. You decide...I stand by the military boots, as do others.
Don't tell me what I have said or what you believe I have implied.
Try crashing in your Captain America boots and see who is embarrassed.
You have absolutely no basis to recommend these boots from a safety aspect as you have no idea how they will stand up in a motorcycle crash.
That is my point, get over yourself.
There is no need to have been rude in the first place or second place. Over expressing the PLF part of Ron's post was really pushing the limits of being a friend of this community. You are welcome to express that you think your boot are the best for the job, but get off someone else's opinion. I agree that the best boot is a motorcycle boot, but I also think my combat boots are an excellent choice. Keep in mind the best geared person can still die in an accident.
I think you should re-think your anger and maybe even apologize. This is not a topic to attack on, and the only reason I don't point the finger at Ron too is he was simply defending his point. This community (Almost all of us, except you) support Ron. Maybe cooling it a bit would be a good idea.
* 2003 Kawasaki ZRX1200R *
"What good fortune for those of us in power that people do not think. " Hitler - think about that one for a minute.
ronboskz650sr wrote:
I have answered Shiv's question with what I truly believe to be the correct answer. You, Mint, have answered first with sarcasm, then with implications that only your boots, (which I think you said are broken, but still functional), are the only ones he should consider, or boots of similar design. Nobody has questioned your need for thousands of dollars of gear...you crash more than most. Yet you continue to feed incorrect information through implication to the guy who just asked if Mil spec boots are good enough...they are, and will get him into protective gear on a budget. Pricing people out of protective gear is one reason they don't wear it.
These boots will survive and protect...The outer leather is nearly three time as heavy as my heavy leather jacket, and the liner is nearly as thick, also of leather... and the boot will definitely stay on the foot in a crash. Drop it. You are about to embarrass yourself. I have read your blog. It is full of good information that you don't want re-interpreted from a safety standpoint on this forum. You decide...I stand by the military boots, as do others.
Don't tell me what I have said or what you believe I have implied.
Try crashing in your Captain America boots and see who is embarrassed.
You have absolutely no basis to recommend these boots from a safety aspect as you have no idea how they will stand up in a motorcycle crash.
That is my point, get over yourself.
Your boots would work in a properly executed plf too...I guess you didn't know that.
Winter flight boots tied tight are stiff like rollerblades made of leather. The ankle support is outstanding. The leather is VERY thick. The steel toed boots Sev didn't get injured in have a fraction of the leather thickness on my flight boots.
So, Shiv...I recommend them. Read Mint's blog and decide for yourself if you need the level of expensive gear he is recommending.
Lots of people wear work and military boots. Personally, I find them a bit bulky. Additionally, there is absolutely no ankle or shin protection. But you don't really need that, unless you crash..........
John
"83 XJ900RK
IT'S ABOUT OIL, MONEY, AND POWER, ALL OF THE TIME.
I guess my military boots are different than the ones you're referring to. No shin protection, okay...but the ankles of my boots are thickly padded with insulation and athick leather liner all around the entire ankle. I can barely bend at the ankle when they are fully laced.. I guess I need to revise my recommendation and say Air Force Winter Flight boots. Maybe these aren't what's available at surplus. Like I said, mine haven't worn out in over 20 years, so I have'nt bought any. Maybe they don't even make these anymore! If not...my apologies.
I was thinking of my own Army combat boots, circa 1980. No protection at all, probably less protective than a modern work-boot. Your winter flight boots sound a little bulky, though. How about steel-toed flip-flops?
John
"83 XJ900RK
IT'S ABOUT OIL, MONEY, AND POWER, ALL OF THE TIME.
Gee, I was wondering what we were going to talk about once winter came and most of us put our bikes away. It's good to know we can all have a good heated fight about boots.
The way I see it, boots need to do two things in the event of a crash:
1. Stay on your feet
2. Keep the skin of your feet from making contact with pavement even after several yards of sliding
A $20.00 pair of Brahma boots from Wal-Mart meets both requirements, so the rest is just fluff, bling, and brand name.
oldnslo wrote:I was thinking of my own Army combat boots, circa 1980. No protection at all, probably less protective than a modern work-boot. Your winter flight boots sound a little bulky, though. How about steel-toed flip-flops?
Not too bad, bulk-wise, just real stiff and tough. Durable, especially around the ankle and toe box area. Double outer heel, too. They are kindof heavy for walking, but not as bad as, say sorel pacs.
I also highly doubt my boots would not protect my shins, ankle of foot. They are not rigid enough to stop my foot form being crushed by the motorcycle, but I know the would not shred while sliding, nor can I imagine the seems bursting. Take a look at the Danner Acadia and tell me you think that is wrong.
* 2003 Kawasaki ZRX1200R *
"What good fortune for those of us in power that people do not think. " Hitler - think about that one for a minute.
I apologise for getting a little heated back there. For me, due to my recent accident, boots have become a major focal point in my life, as without them I would not have my foot.
I have read your blog. It is full of good information that you don't want re-interpreted from a safety standpoint on this forum. You decide...I stand by the military boots, as do others.
