downshifting to 1st gear trouble...

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Shiv · #11 Post by **Shiv** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:29 pm

what does "not synchronized" mean?

The rate that your gears are spinning in relation to each other and the clutch gear (who's name i can't remember, I think it's a collar) that engages the engine/layshaft to the wheels.

Meaning that the first gear's wheel isn't spinning at the same rate as the other gears so when you shift to first and aren't going slower the collar and the first gear aren't going near the same speed which is where you get the grinding sound as the collars teeth tries to fit into the gear.

VermilionX · #12 Post by **VermilionX** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:39 pm

now why didn't they teach us this in the MSF?

Shiv · #13 Post by **Shiv** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:09 pm

Dunno. People say they did/should have but I was there and I don't think I slept through any portion of it.

Sev · #14 Post by **Sev** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:12 pm

i'm still trying to think of a good reason not to pull your clutch in all the way when you shift.

It doesn't really limit your acceleration if you do it fast enough. Personally I'm already toeing up or pressing down as my clutch starts to come in. And by the time it's all the way in, I'm just pulling through the point that actually causes a shift, then release the clutch and rev back up.

Saves wear and tear, and doesn't really hurt my acceleration or decel for that matter.

Shiv · #15 Post by **Shiv** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:18 pm

I didn't even know you could 1/2 or 1/4 clutch and still shift.

In the MSF pulling it in all the way and shifting took maybe a second or three.

And half of that was trying to fit my boot into the area between the peg and the shifter. Big feet suck.

VermilionX · #16 Post by **VermilionX** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:20 pm

Sevulturus wrote:i'm still trying to think of a good reason not to pull your clutch in all the way when you shift.

It doesn't really limit your acceleration if you do it fast enough. Personally I'm already toeing up or pressing down as my clutch starts to come in. And by the time it's all the way in, I'm just pulling through the point that actually causes a shift, then release the clutch and rev back up.

Saves wear and tear, and doesn't really hurt my acceleration or decel for that matter.

well, to me it does make a diff if i only pull the clutch a little enough to release the gear box. i think im faster when i do it this way instead of pulling it all the way.

i just didn't know that this technique doesn't always work when downshifting to 1st gear.

Sev · #17 Post by **Sev** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:23 pm

Hahahaha

Hahaha

Haha

Ha

I feel so sorry for your bike.

I gotta say, I think that I can probably do a full lever shift faster then you can do your partial disconnect shift.

ZooTech · #18 Post by **ZooTech** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:25 pm

I see a well-worded eBay ad in your future, Vermi!

Sev · #19 Post by **Sev** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:29 pm

WTS

2005 GSXR-1000

Some damage to fairing (barely noticable)

Tranny needs a little work

Need new tires (a little odd wear around the edges and some cupping)

Some wear and tear on tank from my zipper

Some wear and tear on seat cowl from my tank bag

scratches to front forks

VermilionX · #20 Post by **VermilionX** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:31 pm

ZooTech wrote:I see a well-worded eBay ad in your future, Vermi!

no, im not gonna sell my bike. i've known this since day 1.

anyway... im glad you guys helped me out.

i now realize why it only happens a few times and not most of the time. since most of the time, i am slowing down more before i downshift to 1st.

i just didn't know that 1st gear was not synchronized like the other gears.