The Government has crossed the line now.

[DivideOverflow]

byproduct of hydrogen generation is steam/oxygen/water.

Hydrogen is no more dangerous than gasoline, and less dangerous due to the way it is stored.

The metals they are trying to ban, the oxidizers, are used as neutralizing metals in the case of the hydrogen. The second they hit air, they neutralize the hydrogen to prevent ignition/explosion/etc. This makes it safer than those little red gas cannisters everyone has.

It is not just this company that is effected, the CPSC is banning these metals for everyone. They are used in home chemistry sets, model rockets, fireworks, and a myriad of other applications. Universities won't be able to get this stuff either without a license to "Create Explosive Devices". This is stuff used in basic chemistry classes! Chem 101. Magnesium oxide is extremely common.

This effects everyone in the scientific community, not just this company.

[thebighop]

Your signature tells the story...if they can sell the nasty stuff, without regulation, I'm pretty sure they can get away with selling the harmfull stuff too. It would be a daunting task to police the entire internet of the things that are sold over it. Until they make a law against sell ing the plans, parts or assemblies for something like a bomb, they'll keep right on selling. I could go on about the whys and what fors but I can sum it up with on word...Greed!
As long as a buck ca be made...count on seeing it being sold on the internet.

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byproduct of hydrogen generation is steam/oxygen/water.

Hydrogen is no more dangerous than gasoline, and less dangerous due to the way it is stored.

The metals they are trying to ban, the oxidizers, are used as neutralizing metals in the case of the hydrogen. The second they hit air, they neutralize the hydrogen to prevent ignition/explosion/etc. This makes it safer than those little red gas cannisters everyone has.

It is not just this company that is effected, the CPSC is banning these metals for everyone. They are used in home chemistry sets, model rockets, fireworks, and a myriad of other applications. Universities won't be able to get this stuff either without a license to "Create Explosive Devices". This is stuff used in basic chemistry classes! Chem 101. Magnesium oxide is extremely common.

This effects everyone in the scientific community, not just this company.

Thanks for explaining. I knew the process was to create hydrogen, but I just wondered if that had something to do with the attacks on him (the concern of producing hydrogen for some other purpose). Now I see it is another part that was the issue.

[skoebl]

Many fertalizers can be used to make explosives....So does that mean that the stupid CPSC is gonna ban that too?....I'd like to see all the farmers of America go as one and show them how dumb they are.

[MrGompers]

I haven't read the artical you linked to that describes this process or the company that invented it. With that said here's a little comment.

If what you say is true and its viable for public use you can bet 8 coconuts the govt will squash that ASAP. If I came up with a way to run engines on water tomorrow how soon would I be assinated ? The answer is about 12hrs.

Without going into the whole economics again behind big oil (which I already did in another thread). You also have to consider the amount of wealth that is built up in big oil. If the demand for oil went to zero tomorrow the stock market would crash as a result. If we are to get off of oil it will have to be done gradually to prevent that. Now how do we bleed off all that wealth ? I dunno, but someone will have to figure it out before an alternative to oil can be used.

When big money is at stake people in power including the govt will do anything to protect it. This reminds me of the movie "The Insider" which was about the tobacco industry. Which was based on true events & was on 60 minutes before the movie ever came out.

[Nibblet99]

This just seems bizaar to me, as the oxidisers they propose banning can be made at how, (somewhat more crudely in terms of gain size)

I don't see how this measure hinders illegal explosive makers

[skoebl]

They are trying to band certain oxidizers that are smaller than a certain grain size eh?....Well it's not illegal to own a drum grinder; so I don't see how that solves any problems whatsoever....