clutchless shifting?

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VermilionX · Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:52 pm

skoebl wrote:
Well, the key here is doing it right. If you mess up while trying to get it right, you'll inevitably cause damage.

yeah, won't my extended warranty cover that?

Kal · #12 Unread post by **Kal** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:46 pm

Possibly not...

Changing without the clutch is someting you can get away with in a tihgt situation, should your clutch cable break or the like, but isnt something you should do a lot of...

That kind of abuse can lead to gears shedding teeth destroying the whole gear box and, depending on the engine in question, slivers of metal circulating to other parts of the engine in the oil.

Not pretty.

fiveoboy01 · Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:03 pm

Powershifting = upshifting using the clutch, but the throttle stays wide open the entire time.

Speedshifting = Same as above, but letting off the throttle SLIGHTLY between shifts.

skoebl · #14 Unread post by **skoebl** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:44 pm

VermilionX wrote:
skoebl wrote:
Well, the key here is doing it right. If you mess up while trying to get it right, you'll inevitably cause damage.
yeah, won't my extended warranty cover that?

Not if they can prove that it was driver 'neglegence' that caused it

Ninja Geoff · Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:34 pm

fiveoboy01 wrote:Powershifting = upshifting using the clutch, but the throttle stays wide open the entire time.

Speedshifting = Same as above, but letting off the throttle SLIGHTLY between shifts.

bingo. And speed shifting can be done without damage if done properly. I'd practice on a car myself. A lot of 18-wheelers speed shift and only use the clutch to launch. Same with dump trucks and the sort. I've watched my step-dad use the clutch all of 3 times when he was driving his dumptruck around the propertey and the road brielfy, and that's only as many times as he had to stop. It saves clutches on those things.

But your bike has a clutch for a reason.

J.R. Bob Dobbs · Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:58 am

In cars, each one I've had with a manual I've practiced going all the way up and down the gears w/o clutch just to know that I can if the clutch fails. And it makes a neat demonstration to those who assumed it's impossible. When done right, it's a smooth seamless gear change.

I've done it by mistake on bikes about 4 times, both up and down, it was an abrupt but crunchless affair. Each time I accidentally hit the shifter while positioning my foot to prepare for a shift.

skinnyjoint · Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:35 am

Kal wrote:Possibly not...

Changing without the clutch is someting you can get away with in a tihgt situation, should your clutch cable break or the like, but isnt something you should do a lot of...

That kind of abuse can lead to gears shedding teeth destroying the whole gear box and, depending on the engine in question, slivers of metal circulating to other parts of the engine in the oil.

Not pretty.

but if done right no damage will occur.

Kal · #18 Unread post by **Kal** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:04 am

They don't put clutches on vehicles for decoration, and I've seen more than one damaged gear box...

I've done it when a snapped clutch cable left me no option but it isn't something I'd make a habit of, especially when I've got the gear change down to one smooth movement.

VermilionX · Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:26 am

i had some mistakes already regarding my gear. it always pains me to hear that crunching sound. i sometimes flip up or down the shifter by accident.

anyway... i trust my mechanic, if he says it's ok, then i'll practice it.

rodzbike · #20 Unread post by **rodzbike** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:35 am

You could also get an air shifter for your bike...kit basically engages the clutch for you when you shift.