This is why n00bs keep getting 600s+

[Sev]

I was told that a v-star 650 wasn't big enough for me when I expressed concerns that it would be too heavy (they look huge) and I'm tiny. And was told I should buy a Marauder 800... when I wanted something smaller.

I ended up on an LS650 and now happily own a Honda 599, I don't have any regrets about those bikes.

[BigChickenStrips]

yea, thats the experience i got at both dealer- buy new and buy big.
when i wanted buy used and buy small

and hijack:

There's more to this site than just the message board.

Shiv, there is more. mostly consisting of fights over how muh safer/more dangerous wearing a helmet is

[DivideOverflow]

You also have to realize that their Ninja 650R is their brand new bike that is geared towards beginners. It isn't nearly as bad as 600cc I-4 supersports... being that it is a parallel twin with a linear power band and around 70hp. It is in the "grey area" for most people on this board, but I can't fault that dealer too much for trying to move you up from a 500R to a 650R. Now, if he would have said a Ninja 6RR or something, that would be a lot different.

In their eyes, the 650R is still for new riders, because that is how it is being pushed from corporate.

[Shiv]

Shiv, there is more. mostly consisting of fights over how muh safer/more dangerous wearing a helmet is

What?

I was talking about the fuel guide, the beginners guide, the dynos, the gear guides, and all that stuff.

[jmillheiser]

not to mention all the new model information and bike specs, and the well written beginner guide.

[BigChickenStrips]

Shiv, there is more. mostly consisting of fights over how muh safer/more dangerous wearing a helmet is


What?

I was talking about the fuel guide, the beginners guide, the dynos, the gear guides, and all that stuff.

sorry, i didnt mean YOU were fighting about it i meant that what goes on here by other people. when i went back and looked at the post i realise that was not clear. sorry. i was feeling cynical about people like Zoo. no harm meant.

[basshole]

Umm...no one put a gun to your head and said you have to buy a 600. You always posess the power to say "NO". Much like your wife/girlfriend says "NO" everytime you wanna get with her.

[Myself002]

Umm...no one put a gun to your head and said you have to buy a 600. You always posess the power to say "NO". Much like your wife/girlfriend says "NO" everytime you wanna get with her.

ouch....

[CNF2002]

Umm...no one put a gun to your head and said you have to buy a 600. You always posess the power to say "NO". Much like your wife/girlfriend says "NO" everytime you wanna get with her.

Thats when the hard sell comes in handy...

"what is it going to take for this to happen tonight..."

[basshole]

When you negotiate, you need to know what you want first and then what you are willing to pay for it. If you walk in not knowing what you want, then you are not prepared to negotiate. Just use it as a fact finding mission and come back again when you have done your home work. When someone tries the hard sell on me like 'what's it gonna take" type line, I always tell em "it's gonna take someone else paying for it" or something to that effect. If the sales person provides me with knowledge and service, I'll take his card and if I decide that's what I want, I'll give him every opportunity to sell me but I decide what I'll buy and what I'm willing to pay. After that, i walk away and really could care less about what someone else paid or what new deal is available in 2 weeks because I've already made my deal. Past history is un important when buying large ticket items.