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#11 Unread post by flynrider »

Jacine wrote:With the V* the commonest cause of bluing is running the choke open too long. This causes a richer mixture and hotter exhaust, so the pipes turn blue quicker. Nothing wrong with the bike or pipes.
Richer mixtures don't cause hotter exhaust, they have the opposite effect. Excess fuel in the air fuel ratio will result in a cooler exhaust gas temperature.

The hottest EGT will come when the ratio of fuel to air is perfectly balanced ( 1 to 14.7 ). Anything either leaner or richer than that mixture will result in a lower EGT.
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#12 Unread post by ofblong »

flynrider wrote:
Jacine wrote:With the V* the commonest cause of bluing is running the choke open too long. This causes a richer mixture and hotter exhaust, so the pipes turn blue quicker. Nothing wrong with the bike or pipes.
Richer mixtures don't cause hotter exhaust, they have the opposite effect. Excess fuel in the air fuel ratio will result in a cooler exhaust gas temperature.

The hottest EGT will come when the ratio of fuel to air is perfectly balanced ( 1 to 14.7 ). Anything either leaner or richer than that mixture will result in a lower EGT.
your ratio also depends on if your in the mountains or not. different ratio if you are in the mountains than at sea level (though the difference escapes me atm).
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#13 Unread post by flynrider »

ofblong wrote: your ratio also depends on if your in the mountains or not. different ratio if you are in the mountains than at sea level (though the difference escapes me atm).
True. At higher elevations, air is less dense. Your cylinders will pull in the same volume of air that they do at sea level, but the mountain air will contain a lot fewer oxygen molecules by volume. This will cause your mixture to be excessively rich.

This is a common problem in piston powered airplanes that may need to operate from sea level to 15,000 ft. To address it, most have a red knob next to the throttle that controls the mixture. The higher you go, the more you lean.

I wish I had one of those knobs on my bike. It's wheezing and coughing like an old man when it tops a 10 or 11 thousand foot pass in Colorado.

Modern fuel injection systems don't have this problem because they can adjust the mixture when a sensor tells the FI computer that it's getting too rich. There will still be less horsepower due to the lower density air, but you won't also have to deal with an overly rich mixture, fouling plugs and black smoke coming out of the pipes.
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#14 Unread post by jmillheiser »

I wish I had a mixture knob on my bike LOL. she runs pretty rich at the 6000ft elevation I live at, desperately need to replace the stock jets.

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#15 Unread post by ZooTech »

jmillheiser wrote:I wish I had a mixture knob on my bike LOL. she runs pretty rich at the 6000ft elevation I live at, desperately need to replace the stock jets.
Open up the air box and install a K&N air filter.

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#16 Unread post by jmillheiser »

no pod kit available for the CX500. I am going to put in the OEM style K&N and a 2 into 1 exhaust (stock exhaust is getting a bit rusty anyway), will probably still need leaner jets than stock even after that.

cant really do jack to the CX500s airbox, the battery sits in a recess built into the side of the airbox.

Will probably have to do the same thing to my wifes buell, it is also jetted for sea level. there is a pod kit for the blast but it puts the filter right up against your knee so im just going to put the OEM style one in there and switch the stock muffler for the Jardine muffler (its quieter than the Vance & Hines and is supposed to be a bit sturdier).

On my honda my only option for an exhaust system is the mac 2 into 1 system, its supposed to be a decent header but a crappy muffler. Ill probably just swap out the megphone style muffler for a Yosh RS3 can (I have seen this setup on a nighthawk it looked good and sounded good without being too noisy)

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#17 Unread post by blues2cruise »

ofblong wrote:
blues2cruise wrote:I also heard some mechanics talking about that Blue Job stuff. They said it helps somewhat to tone down the blueing on the pipes.

social distortion, the pipe on my bike have also turned colour right where they are coming out of the engine. Although they don't look blue, they look more golden.
when welding color of most steesl turn yellow then red then blue then purple (you know you just royally screwed up the metal when it turns purple)..
Does purple mean it goes in the scrap heap?
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#18 Unread post by thebighop »

If you change from a stock exhaust to a more custom type, something with less back pressure (no baffles)and it doesn't want to run right...you probably need to re-jet, and you can expect bluing. Heat is the main issue here, and rejetting might help there, but if it won't run or idle properly, it needs jet work.
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#19 Unread post by ofblong »

blues2cruise wrote:
ofblong wrote:
blues2cruise wrote:I also heard some mechanics talking about that Blue Job stuff. They said it helps somewhat to tone down the blueing on the pipes.

social distortion, the pipe on my bike have also turned colour right where they are coming out of the engine. Although they don't look blue, they look more golden.
when welding color of most steesl turn yellow then red then blue then purple (you know you just royally screwed up the metal when it turns purple)..
Does purple mean it goes in the scrap heap?
yes and so does blue if it is deep enough.
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#20 Unread post by earwig »

My bike's blueing pipes :)

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