My M.S.F class was a joke...

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JohnC · #11 Unread post by **JohnC** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:09 am

Gummiente wrote:You really should lodge a complaint with the MSF. If what you've said is all true, then these instructors are obviously not teaching what they should and this will obviously do more damage than good to you or any other motorcyclist who takes their course. This kind of behaviour is NOT sanctioned by the MSF, I can assure you.

well said, 100% truth!

Mon May 22, 2006 11:29 am

I agree with the others. Make sure it was a sanctioned MSF course. In any event, see who the course sponsor is and report this class immediately by email, phone and/or written complaint.

badfish89 · Mon May 22, 2006 2:41 pm

man Im sorry. Mine was great, I learned a lot

backrevin · Mon May 22, 2006 3:45 pm

priotan...sorry to hear about your experience at MSF..mine could not have been more different. Since you are new to manual transmission you might also want to check out the whole issue of slow speed control and the clutch friction zone deal. There are many www resources you can reach via Google - one link is provided below

http://www.ridelikeapro.com/practice_guideHome.htm

..good luck in developing your feel for clutch and shift control

fiveoboy01 · Mon May 22, 2006 4:09 pm

From what I've read, MSF courses seem to vary somewhat in content. And for what a person pays for the course, it shouldn't.

I for one will not be taking the MSF course. Frankly, I don't believe I need it. What could it teach me that would be worth my 200+ dollars? Nothing, in my mind. No, I don't think I know all there is to know about riding, but I just don't think the MSF would give me any skills that I can't learn through practice. And the waiver of my road test is no incentive, considering I'm forking out the 200+ buck MSF fee so I don't have to take the road test...

I see a lot of people preach on and on about the MSF course, like it's some sort of holy grail. As if a person will never be a truly skilled biker if they dare not take it. Mabye for some, it is very helpful and can teach new skills. But there are plenty of people out there who will do just fine without taking the course.

StyleZ · #16 Unread post by **StyleZ** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:17 pm

I took and passed my MSF and that is still one thing I have NO IDEA about. They said shift to 2nd, then later on said third. I mean they did clearly explain how to do it, we had clutch control classes, etc.. It's still a mystery to me though exactly when to shift. I say they did an excellent job though.

MikeyDude · Mon May 22, 2006 4:24 pm

fiveoboy01 wrote:
I for one will not be taking the MSF course. Frankly, I don't believe I need it. What could it teach me that would be worth my 200+ dollars? Nothing, in my mind. No, I don't think I know all there is to know about riding, but I just don't think the MSF would give me any skills that I can't learn through practice.

Trial and error? Whatever works. To me, if I can learn one simple lesson that prevents me from having even the smallest crash it will have paid for itself. I can easily see spending $200 in medical bills and/or replacement parts from something I never knew because I never thought of it and never had anyone show me.

What about the ERC? Maybe that would be better suited to a rider of your intelligence and skills.

#18 Unread post by **t_bonee** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:28 pm

fiveoboy01 wrote:From what I've read, MSF courses seem to vary somewhat in content. And for what a person pays for the course, it shouldn't.

I for one will not be taking the MSF course. Frankly, I don't believe I need it. What could it teach me that would be worth my 200+ dollars? Nothing, in my mind. No, I don't think I know all there is to know about riding, but I just don't think the MSF would give me any skills that I can't learn through practice. And the waiver of my road test is no incentive, considering I'm forking out the 200+ buck MSF fee so I don't have to take the road test...

I see a lot of people preach on and on about the MSF course, like it's some sort of holy grail. As if a person will never be a truly skilled biker if they dare not take it. Mabye for some, it is very helpful and can teach new skills. But there are plenty of people out there who will do just fine without taking the course.

200+ bones is a lot to pay. In Ohio, it is $25. I just don't understand how there can be such variance in price from place to place. I can't buy the its California or New York, everything cost more there slant. There should be a set cost across the board for the class. And it shouldn't be over $75 at the most.

ofblong · #19 Unread post by **ofblong** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:45 pm

exactly same with me. in michigan it cost $25 no where near $200 although I have to go and buy a helmet and some gloves before my class but need that anyways.

MikeyDude · Mon May 22, 2006 4:51 pm

t_bonee wrote:
200+ bones is a lot to pay. In Ohio, it is $25. I just don't understand how there can be such variance in price from place to place. I can't buy the its California or New York, everything cost more there slant. There should be a set cost across the board for the class. And it shouldn't be over $75 at the most.

It's $180 in Texas and the price is set by the state.