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I'm not sure what prompted this thread. I don't see the MSF course being bad-mouthed around here much, if at all. I saw one thread a while back regarding an instructor that was less than attentive, but even that person still wanted to take the course. Were you just in a fightin' mood or somethin'?

I was wondering as well - why such a thread? I've been on this site for better than two years, and I only recall maybe three threads where someone was unhappy with their MSF experience. Most folks here (at least those who've taken the course) were totally happy with it.

Also, we're still recovering from a rash of very negative, trash-talkin' threads around here - it's not wise to start off by telling folks to "SHUT UP". Especially when it's utterly unprovoked.

Glad you enjoyed the MSF course. I found it to be a great deal as well (also $25 in Ohio!!). Enjoy your new ride - the Virago line is a well-respected one.

Cheers,
Loonette

Yo, Loonie... interesting sig line you have there. Care to elaborate?

Gummiente wrote:Yo, Loonie... interesting sig line you have there. Care to elaborate?

Just a line from a Pink Floyd song. When I'm alone in the house, I jam out big-time to this sort of music. Helps me get a good cry out once in awhile. If a song pops into my head, I like to share with all of you for awhile in my sig line. So you'll have to wonder... is she just quoting, or does it mean something more to her? Ah... always keep 'em guessing, I say!

Cheers,
Loonette

Loonette wrote:When I'm alone in the house, I jam out big-time to this sort of music. Helps me get a good cry out once in awhile.

Ah, understood. When I was going through my divorce I found that a big ol' bottle of JD and the music of David Wilcox helped quite a bit....

"Dear darling
I love you always
Some things never change
Our love is one of them
That's what you say
In your letter
Of only yesterday

But there's another story
Hidden on the pages
Where though I can see it
Only hearts can feel the words
Between the lines
The little signs that hide between the lines
The little signs that hide between the lines

Opportunity
A sudden phone call
Such a little white lie
Ooh where when or why
My friends won't say a thing
Think I must be blind
Truth is so unkind

A glance
A whisper
A chance to meet
Across a crowded room
A guilty secret
That lies between the lines
The little signs that hide between the lines
The little signs that hide between the lines

There's a place I believe in
Partly truth
Partly fiction
I can say with conviction
I'll get there
I'll get there

Dear darling
I love you always
Some things never change
Our love is one of them
That's what you say
In your letter
Of only yesterday
But there's another story
Hidden on the pages
Where though I can see it
Only hearts can feel the words
Between the lines
The little signs that hide between the lines
The little signs that hide between the lines"

I hear ya, Gummi.

Oops - seems we've hijacked a thread. Sorry folks...

Cheers,
Loonette

[quote="Loonette"]Also, we're still recovering from a rash of very negative, trash-talkin' threads around here - it's not wise to start off by telling folks to "SHUT UP". Especially when it's utterly unprovoked.[quote]

My apologies. Wasn't attempting to "trash talk". I don't "see dead people" like the little fellow in the movie. So I miss them when they're gone. I've seen only two (anti-safety course threads) since I've started looking at this site so it certainly can't be called a "pandemic", nor do I think I came anywhere near suggesting that. But I've only been poking around here for a few months now, so if there's only been three since you've been around, then that's comforting to know.

This thread was more of an attempt at praise for the course and for the instructors in my particular class. After being through it and learning what I did, I just can't understand why someone would bad-mouth it and take the chance of talking someone else out of taking the course. It's too important (at least in MY book) to pooh-pooh the knowledge gained there. So I called them on it (few as there were).

Come to think of it, I retract my apology. I think I explained the "shut up" comment rather well in the original post. I re-read it and agree with every word I said. The next time I submit a thread, I'll make sure I'm properly "provoked." If the truth is considered "trash talk" here. Well, get used to it. I guess I'm just a born trash-talker. Beat my mom & dad if you must, it's how they brought me up.

For the record, I've never taken the course and don't plan to. But I'd never try to talk anyone out of doing so nor would I bad-mouth it. I'd like to see the thread(s) in question where someone talked it down because I can't imagine anyone getting very far in this forum with that attitude.

i've seen two in the last month where someone called the MSF/BRC useless, or a waste of money or something along those lines. couldn't find the specific posts but i don't think the OP was trying to be inflammatory or anyone when he told the MSF/BRC detractors to "shut up".

most people here would recommend some kind of formal rider training to anyone who comes to us asking about riding, but every once in a while someone who is ten foot tall and bulletproof will come by to tell us that they didn't learn anything from the MSF/BRC which usually means to me that they weren't paying attention.


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ZooTech wrote:For the record, I've never taken the course and don't plan to. But I'd never try to talk anyone out of doing so nor would I bad-mouth it. I'd like to see the thread(s) in question where someone talked it down because I can't imagine anyone getting very far in this forum with that attitude.

Amen to that! (Except the "don't plan to take the course" part). If I remember correctly, those thread(s) DIDN'T get very far. The reason I took the course was due to this forum's constant drum beat for it. I guess if I'd been riding for a bajillion years, I may not have taken it either. But since I haven't ridden for 30 years (gak, am I old!), I'm pretty stinking glad I did.

I am relatively new to this forum and did a LOT of surfing back through the archives before joining up. I went back to look for one in particular but lord knows where it was. And I remembered seeing another while reading that one. Didn't think much of them before I took the course. But afterward they bothered me. I REALLY didn't mean to ruffle any feathers here being a rookie and all. Guess I'll just keep my measly little thoughts and comments to myself. I read what I read and it bothered me enough to comment.

Maybe I'd be overreacting, but I could misconstrue that last (ZooTech) post to indicate that I made it up just to "talk trash." If so, then I'll consider that to be your problem, not mine. I absolutely love this forum and get a LOT of good stuff from it, so I thought I'd join and participate when I could. In the future, I will refrain from offering my opinion on such matters. Although that's one of things I like about this forum. You can get a lot of different opinions. Some I've rolled my eyes at and discarded, some I've taken to heart as tidbits that could keep me upright on my MC.

bok: Thanks for the back-up man, I needed it. I didn't want to make that comment on account I may accused of talking trash just to stir up controversy again. But I don’t know ANYONES background here. One could have a perfectly good reason not to take the course, I guess. I don’t know. All I ever said here is that I am highly pro-MSF course and anti-talking-someone-out-of-MSF-course. If that's unreasonable, so be it.