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i should have a nuke bomb!

The Crimson Rider® wrote:i should have a nuke bomb!

Judging by some of your posts, I'd rather have Iran get their hands on a nuke rather you

Btw your posts make good bedtime reads too

If they get a nuke, it is likely they will use it as a shield to launch more aggressive proxy attacks on Israel. The pot could boil over quickly.

To say that Iran has a right to own nuclear weapons is silly. What international law states a nation has a right to develop nuclear weapons? It isn't a right, it's a choice.

From the Iranian perspective, Im sure they feel they are justified in getting a nuke. At the same time, I could care less. If they are going to cause trouble hiding behind a nuke, they deserve to be stopped. If you look at their current rhetoric, it is obvious they want to stir up trouble.

swatter555 wrote:If you look at their current rhetoric, it is obvious they want to stir up trouble.

That's the scary part. Judging by their actions, they would be inclined to actually use the weapons as much as use them as leverage.

As far as the UN and NPT go, they're nice ideas and it would be nice if nations followed their word but history tells a different story. Those organizations have not always had the backing to enforce their resolutions.

There is a huge difference between your government telling an individual what you can't do, and telling a country what it can't do.

Im more worried by the guy who wants only one nuke than the guy with 100.
The mid east is screwed up, ah well maby they will nike eachother and then we can come in and get their oil for free

Of course Iran wants nuclear power. When you have a very aggressive military state (Israel) on your doorstep, then of course you want it. When the most militarily powerful nation on earth grumbles darkly about making pre-emptive strikes on you (Axis of Evil rhetoric), then of course you will want to have nuclear power. When a Western government threatens to use nuclear missiles on a neighbour, Iraq (as the US did just prior to the war), and actually uses Weapons of Mass Destruction (Depleted Uranium shells and cluster bombs), then of course you want nuclear power

The Western media always presents the official enemies of Western states as mad and irrational, evil or just plain stupid. Whenever has it been different? Nothing ever changes in that respect. Similarly, the media always presents Western governments as benign and well-intentioned. Are the Iranian government any more irrational and stupid, more self-deceiving or motivated by wild ideas than their Western counterparts? I doubt it. The only difference between the two is that while Iran is trying to obtain nuclear weapons, the West has them already in abundance. That is scary.

I’m pessimistic. I can’t see any governmental solutions arising from any of this. Who has any faith in the UN? Iran, Iraq, Israel, the USA and Britain all regularly ignore UN resolutions. The USA, Israeli and British governments have very little credibility with Middle-Eastern Arab governments (and who can blame them?) - though they continue to do deals. Middle-Eastern governments are completely untrusted by the West (despite the fact that the West installed and continues to maintain most of them).

The only solution in this sort of situation is a negotiated one based on mutual self-interest. Where is that going to come from in the current climate?

But as far as I can see, what is important is not the us and them rhetoric, but the terrible loss of innocent life that has resulted and will continue to result from this whole bloody situation.

Answers on a postcard please…

Well said!

Although cluster bombs and depleted uranium are not WMD. Not even close.

sv-wolf wrote:Of course Iran wants nuclear power. When you have a very aggressive military state (Israel) on your doorstep, then of course you want it. When the most militarily powerful nation on earth grumbles darkly about making pre-emptive strikes on you (Axis of Evil rhetoric), then of course you will want to have nuclear power. When a Western government threatens to use nuclear missiles on a neighbour, Iraq (as the US did just prior to the war), and actually uses Weapons of Mass Destruction (Depleted Uranium shells and cluster bombs), then of course you want nuclear power

The Western media always presents the official enemies of Western states as mad and irrational, evil or just plain stupid. Whenever has it been different? Nothing ever changes in that respect. Similarly, the media always presents Western governments as benign and well-intentioned. Are the Iranian government any more irrational and stupid, more self-deceiving or motivated by wild ideas than their Western counterparts? I doubt it. The only difference between the two is that while Iran is trying to obtain nuclear weapons, the West has them already in abundance. That is scary.

I’m pessimistic. I can’t see any governmental solutions arising from any of this. Who has any faith in the UN? Iran, Iraq, Israel, the USA and Britain all regularly ignore UN resolutions. The USA, Israeli and British governments have very little credibility with Middle-Eastern Arab governments (and who can blame them?) - though they continue to do deals. Middle-Eastern governments are completely untrusted by the West (despite the fact that the West installed and continues to maintain most of them).

The only solution in this sort of situation is a negotiated one based on mutual self-interest. Where is that going to come from in the current climate?

But as far as I can see, what is important is not the us and them rhetoric, but the terrible loss of innocent life that has resulted and will continue to result from this whole bloody situation.

Answers on a postcard please…

"Answers on a postcard please..."

Not sure what you mean there. Does that mean you will post you opinion and not return? Or is it just a saying I havent heard of?

Sure, Israel is an aggressive state. They have fought three major wars to avoid annihilation. Go back and read Arab newspapers and cartoons of the period, it is clear they were fighting for existence. Iran also has a proven history of supporting terrorist activities against Israel and sending entire divisions in the efforts to destroy Israel. Iran has commited far more aggression on Israel than vice-versa.

Also, you might want to ask yourself why the Iranians lecture foreign diplomats as to why the holocaust didn't happen, while the diplomats silently listen dumbfounded. You might also ask yourself why would the Iranian president call for the destruction of Israel every other day. I don't have to invent crazy things and blame it on them, they do a fine job on their own. Doesn't the BBC report on the insane things coming out of Iran on a daily basis?

Calls for the destruction of Israel may be par for the course, but its only a matter of time before someone is nutty enough to try it again. How can you say that despite his own words to the contrary, this Iran president guy isnt serious?

"The Western media always presents the official enemies of Western states as mad and irrational, evil or just plain stupid. "

That is true, but your blame only is running one way. The media in the Middle East is far less responsible than the Western media. If your looking for truth, religion is your best bet. I think its human nature to paint your enemies as evil,irrational, or both.

"When a Western government threatens to use nuclear missiles on a neighbour, Iraq (as the US did just prior to the war), and actually uses Weapons of Mass Destruction (Depleted Uranium shells and cluster bombs), then of course you want nuclear power"

Of course you only tell half of the story. It was made clear that if Iraq used chemical weapons on US troops or on Israel, that we had alot more. Also, depleted uranium and cluster bomb are not WMDs by any responsible defintion I have heard. They are weapons of war, no more horrible than other weapons of war. Simply booby traps can do the same horrors that a cluster bomb can. It is also a mistake to judge WWII by todays standards of acceptable tactics in war.

"Are the Iranian government any more irrational and stupid, more self-deceiving or motivated by wild ideas than their Western counterparts? I doubt it."

Im not trying to make a jab at you, but this is the kind of thing that preceded the war in Europe when Hitler was gobbling up the Rhineland, Czechoslavakia,and Austria. They were saying publicly that Hitler wasn't crazy enough to start another world war. Yes he was, and he took advantage of them.

I think the ruling clerics are smart enough not to do anything too rash, but when you play the brinksmanship game, dont be suprised if it blows up in your face. As I said, Israel has the stopwatch running and will act on their own timetable.

Iran wants nukes, and is developing them. The UN wont do jack to stop them aside from telling them they shouldn't do it. The US wont attack them (Bush will never be able to get approval for any more military action), and the Iranians ARE crazy enough to use them against Israel.

Irans current missile technology can deliver a nuke to any point in the middle east and any part of Israel. Missiles that the Iranians have in development will be able to deliver a nuke to most of mainland europe. The Iranians are friendly with the North Koreans. North Korea has missiles that can deliver a nuke to the western US and just about anywhere in Asia.

Who is going to do something about the Iranian nuke program, Israel of course. In the 80s when Saddam Hussein was developing nukes of his own the Israelis launched airstrikes against his nuclear research facilities effectively shutting down his nuke program. I am pretty sure that the Israelis have the same plan in store for Iran, lauch airstrikes to set the Iranian nuke program back a few decades. Im sure the US will be happy to share all the intel it has on Irans nuke program (though the Israeli intel is probably better), the US will sit back and say nothing while Israel turns Irans Nuclear facilities into rubble (how nice of the Israelis to do our dirty work for us:) )

China will do what it wants and so will Iran and any other country under justification that if the U.S. is allowed to have 'em why not everyone else.

Yeah, Iran does have religious fanatics that distort what their religion was supposed to stand for but that's true for many countries in many time periods.

What scares me more is the invisible threat of germ warfare. And maybe letting Verm. play with big machines... j/k.